Crossfire VS Sli Questions

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Was that too harsh, DBZee....?

Needs more vitriol.....but nice use of litotes.


With the 50 post cap limit for Techspot's competition there's a wonderful selection of inanity to be had. Nice to see someone sorting the wheat from the chaff....need to buy a bigger scythe.
 
I did a lot of checking around before i went the xfire route and i am glad i did,one of the things i heard was that when one of the cards break you have a spare one till you get the replacement.

The one thing i don't understand is why you say you don't want AMD because you are building gaming PC,according to the specs of the pc you want to build to could build a top spec AMD rig that would be perfect for gaming.
People need to stop thinking that they need 250fps for gaming,the human eye can only see about 60fps.
I would think the optimum range would be about 80fps,which even my cheapish pc can do.
 
People need to stop thinking that they need 250fps for gaming,the human eye can only see about 60fps.

They think they need it for the same reasons for which (in some countries) people want to have loudest horns on their vehicles ;)
 
I did a lot of checking around before i went the xfire route and i am glad i did,one of the things i heard was that when one of the cards break you have a spare one till you get the replacement.

People need to stop thinking that they need 250fps for gaming,the human eye can only see about 60fps.
I would think the optimum range would be about 80fps,which even my cheapish pc can do.

lol i like this. even when some ppl got 250fps they dont even have the monitor that supports it.. majority of average monitor still on 60 and 75fps. not sure bout high-end one though.
 
Ol' Chas never lets a good story get in the way of his personal bias it's true. Since he's set himself up as some kind of "Deep Throat" (the W.Mark Felt variety, not Linda Lovelace...tho you never can tell) for channeling disgruntled tech employees his insider knowledge is likely close to the mark-albeit with as much negativity incorporated as possible. If it weren't for his fawning attitude towards Intel, the non-reporting of anything negative regarding AMD, and outright hatred for nVidia (the CEO in particular) then he would mostly be a go-to source for the mainstream tech followers.
Strangely enough, he seems to revel in the spin game as much as he derides nVidia for the same tactics, likewise rails against Jen Hsun Huang's cult of personality while carefully cultivating his own....go figure.

All that aside, I'd wait until the card launches and the benchmarks/performance level are known before making any comparisons between the GTX470 and HD5870. My own personal gut feeling is that the HD5870 will edge the nVidia card overall due to the overclocking headroom (clocks and power draw) and the fact that AMD can (and will) drop pricing on their cards if the nVidia cards perform well, since the HD5xxx series have a lower production cost. If this comes to pass, then the realigned AMD price structure will most likely make Crossfired HD 5850's the price/performance leader in the enthusiast sector.

BTW: How does a ten year old come up with $200 ? Is he the local grade school drug kingpin ?

What about ATI drivers? I've heard nvidia has much better driver support numerous times on other forums. Is this true?
 
ATI drivers have improved alot over the years,haven't had a card break once with ati drivers.
 
ATI drivers have improved alot over the years,haven't had a card break once with ati drivers.

Ok because driver support was the only reason I was hesitant about ATI. Also why do ati cards like the HD 5870 have like 1600 stream processors and the gtx 295 only has 480 but the gtx 295 is faster. Why are nvidia SPs faster than ATI ones?
 
Ok because driver support was the only reason I was hesitant about ATI. Also why do ati cards like the HD 5870 have like 1600 stream processors and the gtx 295 only has 480 but the gtx 295 is faster. Why are nvidia SPs faster than ATI ones?
You tell us.....
 
Of course the 295 will be faster than the 5870,that's like comparing a single card set-up to a xfire\sli set-up.
 
Last I checked 1.39CAD=1USD....

I have no idea where you checked that figure, either that or you're getting seriously ripped off by your FX broker lol. CAD is almost at parity with USD at the moment and it hasn't been close to 1.39 for the last 5 years. I should know, it's my day job ;)

Regarding the ATI drivers, they have improved greatly over the last few years, I haven't had a single issue with my card since I got it a couple of years ago. They have a monthly update cycle which sometimes bring welcome performance gains.
 
I have no idea where you checked that figure, either that or you're getting seriously ripped off by your FX broker lol. CAD is almost at parity with USD at the moment and it hasn't been close to 1.39 for the last 5 years. I should know, it's my day job ;)

Regarding the ATI drivers, they have improved greatly over the last few years, I haven't had a single issue with my card since I got it a couple of years ago. They have a monthly update cycle which sometimes bring welcome performance gains.

Saw it on my friends windows sidebar gadget. Maybe I'll tell him to delete it ^^. My only concern is because nvidia holds most of the market they licence code to companies. Which means they can work on drivers before the game comes out. Then at launch nvidia has drivers while ATI has to scramble and get a release out.
 
Ok because driver support was the only reason I was hesitant about ATI. Also why do ati cards like the HD 5870 have like 1600 stream processors and the gtx 295 only has 480 but the gtx 295 is faster. Why are nvidia SPs faster than ATI ones?

Logical conclusion follows:

GTX 295 is faster because it has fewer processors but they are clocked much higher since they are clocked independently of the core.
 
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Ok because driver support was the only reason I was hesitant about ATI. Also why do ati cards like the HD 5870 have like 1600 stream processors and the gtx 295 only has 480 but the gtx 295 is faster. Why are nvidia SPs faster than ATI ones?

shader count between ATI and nvidia are not comparable in a 1 to 1 count. the architecture is completely different and they function differently. if you want to compare shader count as a an approximate performance standard between cards. an nvidia 'shader' is roughly 4 ATI shaders.
 
shader count between ATI and nvidia are not comparable in a 1 to 1 count. the architecture is completely different and they function differently. if you want to compare shader count as a an approximate performance standard between cards. an nvidia 'shader' is roughly 4 ATI shaders.

Ok that makes alot of sense.Thanks for your clarification.
 
My only concern is because nvidia holds most of the market they licence code to companies. Which means they can work on drivers before the game comes out. Then at launch nvidia has drivers while ATI has to scramble and get a release out.

The reason why nvidia can have there drivers 1st is also that there cards are just slight updates of older cards.
 
shader count between ATI and nvidia are not comparable in a 1 to 1 count. the architecture is completely different and they function differently. if you want to compare shader count as a an approximate performance standard between cards. an nvidia 'shader' is roughly 4 ATI shaders.

Don't tell me you got sucked into this nonsense. It's basically a meeting of the "Latch Key Junior Sociopathic Trolls Club". Any purchase is dependent on the OPs "10 year old brother buying his current card for $200.00. I think that's USD. Our OP apparently doesn't even have the exchange rate correct.
 
Don't tell me you got sucked into this nonsense. It's basically a meeting of the "Latch Key Junior Sociopath Trolls Club". Any purchase is dependent on the OPs "10 year old brother buying his current card for $200.00". I think that's USD. Our OP apparently doesn't even have the exchange rate correct.

...ummm well it seems I was just happening by and ...ah, there was a shader deal ...and ..that is to say, ok I did!
$200?? why in my day I got a quarter if I did the dishes,took out the garbage, and washed the Galaxy 500.
 
...ummm well it seems I was just happening by and ...ah, there was a shader deal ...and ..that is to say, ok I did!
$200?? why in my day I got a quarter if I did the dishes,took out the garbage, and washed the Galaxy 500.
Speaking of Galaxy Fords and such, they just released "Alice", which is basically a reworking of Alice in Wonderland. It may have been a mini-series (3hrs run). But if you enjoy 70's kitsch, have I got a movie for you, fun. Tim Curry's even in it.

But more to the point, maybe we should send out for Charlie Demerjian's opinion on the shader sitch-e-a-shun.

Hmmm, Demerjian, Armenian maybe. My son is married to a nice Armenian girl. I call her "Armenian Barbie".
 
Don't tell me you got sucked into this nonsense. It's basically a meeting of the "Latch Key Junior Sociopathic Trolls Club". Any purchase is dependent on the OPs "10 year old brother buying his current card for $200.00. I think that's USD. Our OP apparently doesn't even have the exchange rate correct.

Ok just ****ing leave. I don't have the patience for your constant counter productive comments and insults. Go back to the super elitest section of the boards.
 
Ok just ****ing leave. I don't have the patience for your constant counter productive comments and insults. Go back to the super elitest section of the boards.
Here again, you patience or lack thereof does lack a certain relevance. Did you get the $200.00 bucks off your 10 Year old brother yet? See, I'm concerned. Maybe you could borrow it from Charlie Demerjian. Jus' tryin' to help ya know.
 
Speaking of Galaxy Fords and such, they just released "Alice", which is basically a reworking of Alice in Wonderland. It may have been a mini-series (3hrs run). But if you enjoy 70's kitsch, have I got a movie for you, fun. Tim Curry's even in it.

But more to the point, maybe we should send out for Charlie Demerjian's opinion on the shader sitch-e-a-shun.

Hmmm, Demerjian, Armenian maybe. My son is married to a nice Armenian girl. I call her "Armenian Barbie".

I will check that out, I think Tim curry is groovy:D

I dated an Armenian Barbie in high school....she would always drop me off outside of town though...
 
Put Out.....Or Get Out........!

I dated an Armenian Barbie in high school....she would always drop me off outside of town though...
Yeah well, you have to go through a double secret ancient conversion ceremony before you become an honorary Armenian. If you had, then you would have been able to stay in the car through town. Or as I usually put it, I don't care if it is for my own good, I'll skip the p***** whipping anyway.

Oh look, an "if, then" logic statement, who sez we're not on topic.

But even more to the point, how about those darn Nvidia drivers; https://www.techspot.com/vb/topic143989.html ....?
 
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