We analyze over 650 PC games to compare DLSS, FSR, and XeSS support to reveal how far Nvidia, AMD, and Intel really are from each other in upscaling and frame generation adoption.
DLSS vs FSR vs XeSS: Game Support Across 650+ Titles
Theinsanegamer
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Oh they want it to be true. That way you have to keep buying AMD hardware.
They truly do not care about consumers and will drive their gaming division into the ground with this.
I'm still waiting for big battlemage. Or at this point may as well wait for celestial. IDK how intel can get people so excited yet they refuse to just provide the cards......
Yes, the B770 was swept under carpet, though I think compute variants were announced.
Intel got people excited because Arc is a compelling value offering from someone new (though strictly speaking, Intel has been in graphics since the '90s). Last year, prices got better after the 9060XT, so many got their B580/70s very cheap. Performance is solid, and XeSS FG has been hitting the news lately, double or tripling frame rates in some cases. It has been chiefly positive on the Arc side, whereas AMD and Nvidia make unpopular moves. My only hope is that this customer-friendly approach continues as their share grows.
I've kept an eye on their open-source drivers too, and their programmers have been on a roll, particularly Mesa and the Compute Runtime. The Windows 3D drivers are closed, but one expects a similar level of work there.
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obsidian76
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If gamers have the expectation of out-of-the-box support and a straightforward experience on PC without digging into third-party workarounds then they have never had to write autoexec.bat and config.sys files for individual games. PC has always been for tinkering, modding and using workarounds since games first appeared on the platform back in the 80s. As for Optiscaler it 'just works' well on every game I have tried it on and now enables FSR 4 in games like doom eternal and Indy.
Theinsanegamer
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Its not the 80s anymore. Modern APIs were designed specifically so we wouldnt have to write sys files to get games to work. Tinkering is great but its not an excuse for lack of proper support.
obsidian76
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1. Obviously it isnt the 1980s.
2. It was the move from Dos based architecture to NT based architecture for Windows that ended the fun and games of the config.sys et al.
3. I never claimed tinkering was an excuse for lack of proper support.
I was disputing the claims made in the article about gamers expectations of the PC as a gaming platfom and optiscaler in the article.
Maybe respond to that rather than my mockery?
Beerfloat
Posts: 1,225 +2,344
If the Steam survey wasn't enough evidence of yet another quarter of dwindling AMD GPU market share, here's JPR's latest on the situation.
Poor software support is almost certainly partly to blame for this. Who outside of a handful of faithful knows or cares about Optiscaler? The article calls the absence of FSR4 support in Doom/Vulkan 'baffling'. I'd call it 'fully in line with expectations'.
Poor software support is almost certainly partly to blame for this. Who outside of a handful of faithful knows or cares about Optiscaler? The article calls the absence of FSR4 support in Doom/Vulkan 'baffling'. I'd call it 'fully in line with expectations'.
The only thing I’d accept being missing is MFG. They should start by making FSR4 available for RDNA2/3 and Vulkan.
obsidian76
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Who is faithful to a corporation? Me, because I know about Optiscaler and find it works better than claimed in the article? I use both Nvidia and AMD on my two main systems, both have there problems. Where is MFG support for my 4070ti super? Am I upset about that or FSR 4 not supported on the 6900 in the hand me down system upstairs, no of course not, just as I wasnt upset that my Geforce 2 GTS didnt get Directx 8 support, when Geforce 3 launched back in the 'dark ages'. Its the nature of PC as a gaming platform.If the Steam survey wasn't enough evidence of yet another quarter of dwindling AMD GPU market share, here's JPR's latest on the situation.
Poor software support is almost certainly partly to blame for this. Who outside of a handful of faithful knows or cares about Optiscaler? The article calls the absence of FSR4 support in Doom/Vulkan 'baffling'. I'd call it 'fully in line with expectations'.
GodisanAtheist
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-Used Optiscaler to get DLSS inputs for FSR4 in Cyberpunk (to improve on the poor native FSR implementation) and it was a very straightforward process.
If the install were more streamlined with a proper GUI, I think the complaints would die down quite a bit.
If I have to goof around with Optiscaler for the odd game here or there, it's easily worth the $400 savings I got going with a 9070xt over a 5070ti.
This is all to say I still think AMD needs to bring FSR4 INT8 to RDNA2/3 and they can't stop slacking on first party software support.
Still no FSR support in D2R
(No, I won't install mods that would get me banned, sorry)
1 - You can also run the game on a calculator
https://en.gamegpu.com/test-gpu/rpgrolevye/diablo-ii-resurrected-test-gpu-cpu
2 - RSR - scaling in Adrenalin drivers
https://www.amd.com/en/products/software/adrenalin/radeon-super-resolution.html
3 - I use RSR scaling in the game KCD1, KCD1 has no integrated scaling (FSR,DLSS)
RX6700XT 1440P to RSR 2160p
Theinsanegamer
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Yet you are using 80's standards to judge modern software.
Dont care, not relevant.
You just contradicted yourself. You claim the PC has always been for tinkering and use that as an argument against gamers expecting proper support out of the box. You continued this line of argumentation with others
No, it is not. The PC today is not the PC of the 90s/2000s when the GeForce 3 was relevant. There is no reason we should have to make such workarounds to support our hardware, which is why AMD is failing to sell even remotely what nvidia does.ts the nature of PC as a gaming platform.
You should have higher expectations for yourself rather then accepting that things will never get better because "thats how its always been".
obsidian76
Posts: 68 +53
Go away, the ad hominem attacks are tiresome. As is the tendency you have to put words in my mouth by attempting to read between the lines when my comments should be taken as written. Are you a neurotypical?
PierreJG
Posts: 108 +35
Intel and Nvidia has been doing this for years but now that AMD are doing it, people complain. Kinda reminds me Sony exclusive coming to pc and people went nuts. The only difference for me is, I do not see value in Nvidia at the moment. All given, they are the fastest. No questions ask and no argument can be had. Problem is, at what price?
Nvidia moto is you want the best, you have to buy a premium. All given DLSS is great and has great support but I do not care about raytracing and to pay a premium just for that is not worth it. The 5090 are 4x the price of the 9070XT here. The 5080 are 12k more and then 5070TI are 4k. The 9060XT are 6.2k and the 5070 are 10k. Sorry on the lower price I'll bite the bullet and get the 5070 as I think that is a great deal compared to the 9060XT. It comes down to what you can afford and what tech you prefer. Not everyone can afford even a 5070TI+
Still no FSR support in D2R
(No, I won't install mods that would get me banned, sorry)
That is the problem with FSR support, most often it lacks on release, where DLSS almost always is present on release. Nvidia probably pays the developers but that don't change the fact that DLSS is vastly better supported.
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