Does the Ryzen 7 5800X3D Work on AMD B350 and X370 Motherboards?

Strawman

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We brought this up in the last article.

"AMD did promise platform support until at least 2020 and bar a small hiccup that was quickly reversed, it's been mostly smooth sailing for those who bet on Ryzen early and had a clear upgrade path in subsequent generations."
https://www.techspot.com/article/2473-why-ryzen-was-amazing/

I also fought for AMD to reverse that decision:

Sure the 300-series was never on the table but that doesn't mean there aren't loads of people still using a 300-series board who can now upgrade. We also said that this move benefits AMD so while t's great they're doing it, it's just smart business, nothing more.
But you do realize that lot's of people got screwed cause they sold their b350 / x370 (or even their x470 back in 2020) exactly because AMD said no support?

I don't see how the whole AM4 is considered an example of good support. In my books it's laughably bad, childish and unprofessional. Good support, in my books, is something consistent and reliable. Knowing when, how and why you'll get something. AMD's whole AM4 support situation was anything but that.

If this is our standard for good, yeah, no wonder the whole gaming industry treats it's customers like children
 

tymeracer7

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Tyme7 says: I read this article , great news! except I have a Biostar B350GT5 Racing MB with 1300X CPU installed , I've been to Biostar's website for this MB , I've seen nothing about new AGESA ver. 1.2.0.7 support for BIOS upgrade , is this for all B350's ? or only a select few? it would be nice to get an answer !! , would be a nice option for me to consider , as to how I will upgrade. Does anyone have a clue? Thanks
 

Fastturtle

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One of the main reasons Intel has always changed Sockets ever couple of years is to force not only new CPU sales but Chipset Sales. That's right, they match a NB/SB to the CPU while AMD with Ryzen built it into the CPU. Remember that Intel didn't get PCIe 4.0 support until 11 gen series. AMD on the other hand doesn't make as many of the bridge chipsets - usually made by AsMedia with things like extra Sata and USB ports/headers so AMD hasn't had the profit reason to force a socket change every couple of years and with AM5 there will be even less reason to do so as they wont be making the Southbridge at all - that's all going to AsMedia and other companies.
 

8600M GT

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I still use my 4770K & Maximus VI Hero Z87 motherboard which has withstood 10 years of almost daily gaming at this point but it's a dead socket and I have no upgrade path by design.

I mean, you sort of do have an upgrade path. Broadwell, with its Crystal Well integrated L4 cache, is likely possible, and Crystal Well was kind of like the 5800X3D before the 5800X3D was a thing. Devil's Canyon might provide an upgrade path too, at least if you are interested in higher overclocks.

But yes, not an upgrade path like what AM4 offers. I'm in the same general boat on Sandy Bridge. I could upgrade to have HyperThreading, and/or I could upgrade to a smaller node, but there's not much of an IPC upgrade available, nor a core count boost. But nothing even half as compelling as the AM4 options, especially with Intel's 5% average yearly gain for most of the 2010s.

Sandy Bridge was close enough to Zen 1 in single-threaded performance that I didn't feel compelled to upgrade then, but I likely will upgrade to AM5, especially if AMD announces a similar lifecycle as AM4. That would give me confidence that I could get another decade from an AM5 board, with that mid-2020s upgrade option.
 

Crinkles

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Tyme7 says: I read this article , great news! except I have a Biostar B350GT5 Racing MB with 1300X CPU installed , I've been to Biostar's website for this MB , I've seen nothing about new AGESA ver. 1.2.0.7 support for BIOS upgrade , is this for all B350's ? or only a select few? it would be nice to get an answer !! , would be a nice option for me to consider , as to how I will upgrade. Does anyone have a clue? Thanks

Yes, Biostar listed that new BIOS last week. Here's a link to the files for a Biostar B350GT5 https://www.biostar.com.tw/app/en/mb/introduction.php?S_ID=872#download

AGESA ComboAM4v2 PI 1.2.0.7 Update (Use F12 Key to update BIOS)

Confirm the motherboard page is the same as your board. I have saved them (*three files), if the files are pulled for some reason I have a backup you can get.
 

Crinkles

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Tymeracer says: Hey Crinkles! thank you for your speedy response....great help! even Biostar never replied to me,now I just gotta figure which CPU would be cost effective to upgrade to.

You are welcome. The 5600X is the chip you want. If you can get $100 on resell for the current 1300X that keeps cost down. A Ryzen 5500 is $138.99.
 

Steve

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But you do realize that lot's of people got screwed cause they sold their b350 / x370 (or even their x470 back in 2020) exactly because AMD said no support?

I don't see how the whole AM4 is considered an example of good support. In my books it's laughably bad, childish and unprofessional. Good support, in my books, is something consistent and reliable. Knowing when, how and why you'll get something. AMD's whole AM4 support situation was anything but that.

If this is our standard for good, yeah, no wonder the whole gaming industry treats it's customers like children
I don't understand this take at all.

Firstly you hardly got screwed as a 300 series owner, years later you could buy a heavily discounted Zen 2 CPU for an upgrade, something you've not been able to do with Intel for the previous 10 years.

As for the X470 thing in 2020 the axed support was announced and then reverted inside of a week BEFORE the Zen 3 series even arrived, so a completely invalid point there.

"If this is our standard for good, yeah, no wonder the whole gaming industry treats it's customers like children"

This is a very strange reaction to what has been without question the best supported CPU platform of our time.
 

Strawman

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I don't understand this take at all.

Firstly you hardly got screwed as a 300 series owner, years later you could buy a heavily discounted Zen 2 CPU for an upgrade, something you've not been able to do with Intel for the previous 10 years.

As for the X470 thing in 2020 the axed support was announced and then reverted inside of a week BEFORE the Zen 3 series even arrived, so a completely invalid point there.

"If this is our standard for good, yeah, no wonder the whole gaming industry treats it's customers like children"

This is a very strange reaction to what has been without question the best supported CPU platform of our time.
If something is unreliable, flip flops based on reddit reactions and constantly changes, its not good support in my book.

I already told 2 of my friends to sell their b350s and move to alderlake cause their mobo isnt supported. And then amd flip floped again, effectively screwing them. Their other option would have been an uber expensive a 3000 sieres zen cpu, but those are almost more expensive than zen 3!!

Yes, intel doesn't offer the same longevity, but at least you know beforehand what youll get and when youll get it. Meaning you can plan before hand if and when you need to keep or sell your old motherboard.

Anyways, we are talking about 2 year old cpus. So supporting a cpu 2 freaking years later is what you call the best supported platform..doesnt even matter if its the best, its still atrociously bad.
 

Avro Arrow

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I don't understand this take at all.

Firstly you hardly got screwed as a 300 series owner, years later you could buy a heavily discounted Zen 2 CPU for an upgrade, something you've not been able to do with Intel for the previous 10 years.

As for the X470 thing in 2020 the axed support was announced and then reverted inside of a week BEFORE the Zen 3 series even arrived, so a completely invalid point there.

"If this is our standard for good, yeah, no wonder the whole gaming industry treats it's customers like children"

This is a very strange reaction to what has been without question the best supported CPU platform of our time.
Don't worry Steve, he tends to make a lot of strawman arguments. :laughing:
 

PEnnn

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But you do realize that lot's of people got screwed cause they sold their b350 / x370 (or even their x470 back in 2020) exactly because AMD said no support?

I don't see how the whole AM4 is considered an example of good support. In my books it's laughably bad, childish and unprofessional. Good support, in my books, is something consistent and reliable. Knowing when, how and why you'll get something. AMD's whole AM4 support situation was anything but that.

If this is our standard for good, yeah, no wonder the whole gaming industry treats it's customers like children

In my book it's called "Sour Grapes".

PS: I wonder about the real number of " lot's of people got screwed cause they sold their b350 / x370" your crystal ball tells you??

As many as those regularly screwed by Intel every 2 years?
 

Steve

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If something is unreliable, flip flops based on reddit reactions and constantly changes, its not good support in my book.

I already told 2 of my friends to sell their b350s and move to alderlake cause their mobo isnt supported. And then amd flip floped again, effectively screwing them. Their other option would have been an uber expensive a 3000 sieres zen cpu, but those are almost more expensive than zen 3!!

Yes, intel doesn't offer the same longevity, but at least you know beforehand what youll get and when youll get it. Meaning you can plan before hand if and when you need to keep or sell your old motherboard.

Anyways, we are talking about 2 year old cpus. So supporting a cpu 2 freaking years later is what you call the best supported platform..doesnt even matter if its the best, its still atrociously bad.
This is you: "I'd rather you screw me from the outset, make sure you screw me hard, never stop screwing me and I'll be happy with that. But whatever you do, don't start by lightly screwing with unheard of support and then one up it by totally not screwing me with the best support ever, because in a bizarre round about way... that would screw me worse than you could possible imagine."
 

Angelscry

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"OMG, I own a Ryzen system, all Intel fanboys must ditch their Intel systems and switch to Ryzen"

"I have an iPhone, all Android fans must switch to iPhones".

Seriously you people just stop with this nonsense. If you enjoy your system and it does what you want then you do you. Why do you want the whole world to love what you love? People are different they have different needs and tastes.

Intel fan boys are not complaining that they have to buy a new motherboard every time for an upgrade. They have the money. And they know what they're getting into beforehand. It's their money and they does their research and have their reasons for buying Intel or whatever.
Every comment section is filled with these childish nonsense. There must be something wrong with most of you people.
 

Strawman

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This is you: "I'd rather you screw me from the outset, make sure you screw me hard, never stop screwing me and I'll be happy with that. But whatever you do, don't start by lightly screwing with unheard of support and then one up it by totally not screwing me with the best support ever, because in a bizarre round about way... that would screw me worse than you could possible imagine."
Im pretty sure if the whole internet starts an outcry Intel will give better support on their platform. I still wouldn't call that good support. If I have to recreate the French revolution to get support, yeah, it's not good.

Intel supports only 2 generations per motherboard, but at least they do it from day one. Not when the CPU is 2 years old. I still can't fathom how that's good. If Z490 gets support for raptorlake in 2025, it would still be laughably terrible, no?
 
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Steve

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Im pretty sure if the whole internet starts an outcry Intel will give better support on their platform. I still wouldn't call that good support. If I have to recreate the French revolution to get support, yeah, it's not good.
I say you're wrong on both counts. Intel doesn't care even a little bit about feedback from the enthusiast community and if they extended LGA1700 for two more generations but only announced it after the release of Raptor Lake that would still be amazing. You can try and downplay AM4's success all you like, but no level headed person is going to buy into your narrative.

(Also you're inaccurately recalling events, at least half the AMD (fanboy) base was defending their decision to axe AM4 support, I know because they attacked me personally).
 

Strawman

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I say you're wrong on both counts. Intel doesn't care even a little bit about feedback from the enthusiast community and if they extended LGA1700 for two more generations but only announced it after the release of Raptor Lake that would still be amazing. You can try and downplay AM4's success all you like, but no level headed person is going to buy into your narrative.

(Also you're inaccurately recalling events, at least half the AMD (fanboy) base was defending their decision to axe AM4 support, I know because they attacked me personally).
I don't think that's true (yeah, they don't react the same way AMD does, but they are not turning a blind eye either). I'm not downplaying anything, I used to be one of the people you personally called an AMD fanboy...

You think AMD has better support than Intel? I can dig it. My point is, it's still bad. If you don't know when and even IF you are getting an agesa for the new CPU's, how can that be a good thing? Need I remind you that zen 3 are now almost 2 years old? What if they were giving zen 3 support to x370 in 2025. Would that still make it good support?

I guess we agree to disagree, and yes, since you mentioned it, I personally prefer Intel's way. I wanna know what im getting and when im getting it, without having to go burning witches on reddit.
 
Thanks, Steve. This was a very useful article for me. I have a Gigabyte AX370 Gaming 7 with a Ryzen 3700X and was wondering how much an upgrade to 5800X or 5800X3D would be impacted by X370 vs X570. From the article, it would seem that the percentage difference is not much.

I would like to mention that the Ryzen 5500 is currently going for USD138.99 on Amazon. This would be quite a compelling upgrade for those on a budget and running an older 300 series MB. It's substantially cheaper than the Ryzen 5600 and the 300 series MBs will not be impacted by the lack of PCIe 4.0 on the 5500.
 

trieste1s

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Well, they have kinda set a precedent now. If they go back on it, people will be pissed. I imagine that AM5 will be at least as long-lived as AM4. AMD's getting a lot of fanfare because of this and it has kept more people on the red team who might otherwise have switched to blue (in the CPU space anyway).

I'm sure that AMD recognises this and will continue the trend because it's guaranteed to keep increasing their marketshare and mindshare, two things that are vital for AMD's continued competition in the CPU space.
AMD might have no say, or less say than we thought... it depends on the motherboard makers too.
 

Dimitrios

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I don't think that's true (yeah, they don't react the same way AMD does, but they are not turning a blind eye either). I'm not downplaying anything, I used to be one of the people you personally called an AMD fanboy...

You think AMD has better support than Intel? I can dig it. My point is, it's still bad. If you don't know when and even IF you are getting an agesa for the new CPU's, how can that be a good thing? Need I remind you that zen 3 are now almost 2 years old? What if they were giving zen 3 support to x370 in 2025. Would that still make it good support?

I guess we agree to disagree, and yes, since you mentioned it, I personally prefer Intel's way. I wanna know what im getting and when im getting it, without having to go burning witches on reddit.

Dude you're still complaining? Please go away. Let us AMD users have our joy. You seem MAD or JELLY, go buy a punching bag then print out the AMD logo tape it on and start releasing your anger.
 

Strawman

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Dude you're still complaining? Please go away. Let us AMD users have our joy. You seem MAD or JELLY, go buy a punching bag then print out the AMD logo tape it on and start releasing your anger.
The only one that seems mad or jelly (caps) is you. Go enjoy whatever you want to enjoy, nobody is stopping you ;)
 

Knot Schure

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I applaud AMD for working with motherboard manufacturers to get this working.

There's been a few comments about why didn't AMD do this sooner? Has anyone thought AMD didn't want a fiasco where they have to send out motherboards or CPU's on loan because someone tried to install a Ryzen 5600X in a older motherboard that at the time couldn't support it? I believe they had a similar issue when the Ryzen 2600 came out and some motherboard manufacturers were still selling B350/X370 motherboards that hasn't been flashed to the latest BIOS.

Great article Steve, I might sell my Ryzen 5 3600 and pick up a Ryzen 5600X to sit in my B350 Prime Plus.

Well, I'm sold.

Had I not just built a Z690 / 12900K machine, I'd be all over this.

But for sure I won't be on another 2-year board going forward, if you hear me Intel...
 

TheRealSCDC

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I would simply like to know if it's worth upgrading from a R9 3900x. I do a lot of gaming AND a lot of excel. System has an Asus Strix x570-E and 64gigs RAM.
 

Achaios

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I mean, you sort of do have an upgrade path. Broadwell, with its Crystal Well integrated L4 cache, is likely possible, and Crystal Well was kind of like the 5800X3D before the 5800X3D was a thing. Devil's Canyon might provide an upgrade path too, at least if you are interested in higher overclocks.

But yes, not an upgrade path like what AM4 offers. I'm in the same general boat on Sandy Bridge. I could upgrade to have HyperThreading, and/or I could upgrade to a smaller node, but there's not much of an IPC upgrade available, nor a core count boost. But nothing even half as compelling as the AM4 options, especially with Intel's 5% average yearly gain for most of the 2010s.

Sandy Bridge was close enough to Zen 1 in single-threaded performance that I didn't feel compelled to upgrade then, but I likely will upgrade to AM5, especially if AMD announces a similar lifecycle as AM4. That would give me confidence that I could get another decade from an AM5 board, with that mid-2020s upgrade option.
Intel, by design, made Z87 motherboards, even high end motherboards like mine from ASUS (Maximus VI Hero) unable to support Broadwell CPUs.

That's like Intel 101 for you, screwing customers any chance they get.

4790K is meaningless as an upgrade as my 4770K overclocks well enough and I have a Noctua cooler.