Gamers are ditching Radeon graphics cards over driver issues

Badvok

TS Evangelist
The fact is that you at some point conneted a grounded device to an ungrounded device!
The manufatures manuals suggest unpluging everthing before connecting equipment but they don't say why!.
I am a electronics technician and have grounded all of my eletronics to avoid this problem.
ROFL, an electronics technician that doesn't understand the difference between ground and earth! This is why I read comments sections - for the LOLs.
 

Lounds

TS Maniac
I had nothing but driver issues with GTX 460 and 8600GT I owned. I had ATI card's before and AMD since and never had any issues. I think it depends on what games you play.
 

christiangeli

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I am gaming over 20 year on PC, I had as much nvidia /ati/amd/3dfx card in the past , I had so many bugs from NVIDIA driver in the past, I cannot complain the minor problem with new RX card. Someone remembers NVIDIA trying to make a reliable opengl wrapper for quake ? Someone remembers the driver problem with battlefield 3 and NVIDIA 5xx card that was pathetic and that block my driver update for a complete year...? Who complains on new adrenalin software, please try it, there many feature like image sharpening, Chill, input lag reduction, enhanced sync, that made AMD driver a big step over NVIDIA driver. I currently own the AMD and NVIDIA video card and AMD image sharpening feature really made AMD graphic shine. They will always have some bug, but what I am sure, is that AMD are listening to gamer for long time and then driver optimization better Look at the benchmark of a Vega 56 when released , and look at the benchmark now, at release it barely holds a 1070 and now that card bench about 20% better.
 
People who read the Tech news often wonder if companies have nothing but issues with their products and of course, that idea is incorrect. People having fun playing games on their video cards or new Valve Index headset don't make the news and thus the news has a propensity to trend towards the negative. Problems are what get the clicks, this is fact.
Duh. For the sake of sanity someone should go to the many forums where people are SIGNING UP RAPIDLY and make topics so they can expound on "People having fun playing games on their video cards or new Valve Index headset"'s and such, they can bloviate there, hopefully what's on /reddit will stay on reddit.

Cuz this ain't it bro, this newly minted topic is labeled "gamers are ditching Radeon graphics cards over driver issues", it's especially gritty for those of us who have a boxfull of s****y AMD powered cards with the majority blanking, hanging and freezing. Perhaps you can purchase one to find out firsthand. OMG laughing OL over the 5 "new" replies above.
 
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max0x7ba

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Chill, input lag reduction, enhanced sync, that made AMD driver a big step over NVIDIA driver. I currently own the AMD and NVIDIA video card and AMD image sharpening feature really made AMD graphic shine.
Did you know that NVidia driver has all these features and even more?

Enhanced sync often crashed games with my Vega 64. People keep reporting it crashes games to this day.
 

christiangeli

TS Member
I don't believe half of what you say. Because nVidia has sharpening too. And that means you don't have nVidia like you say you do.
Lol, amd image sharpening technology are better. and is best integrated into driver , the fps cost is near 0 with amd, and there some cost with nvidia.

My kid always don't listen to what I am saying , .
That remember my nephew saying me that my Vega 64 was **** compared to an nvidia 1080 because his prefered gamer say nvidia is best. But my nephew never know the existence of directx
 
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Cuz this ain't it bro, this newly minted topic is labeled "gamers are ditching Radeon graphics cards over driver issues", it's especially gritty for those of us who have a boxfull of s****y AMD powered cards with the majority blanking, hanging and freezing. Perhaps you can purchase one to find out firsthand. OMG laughing OL over the 5 "new" replies above.
Some here are Radeon owners and do not have problems. Maybe we are lucky or are using them differently - who knows.

But as I stated before, if the cards had given me such an amount of issues or even anywhere near that, I would certainly not have bought more.

And really, if you have a "boxfull" of AMD based cards that pretty much all failed miserably but somehow you could not quit buying them...not sure what to say without coming across as rude.

To quote from the article:

Since we bought about half a dozen 5700 XT cards for testing, we’ve also fitted out my family's gaming systems with 5700 XTs, and after a few months of operation, neither have suffered any glaring issues. With that kind of experience, we're a little puzzled as to why so many people are having problems
 

Ludak021

TS Booster
Why? They seem almost inactive with very small community?! And their last FB post is woman complaining about what seems like toxic masculinity? So :) Why?
 

Shadowboxer

TS Maniac
To all the users on this thread suffering from AMDs horrific driver scenario and has a near unusable system now, it looks like Nvidia is ready to announce new GPUs at the end of next month. I would suggest holding out on buying the 2xxx series until then as we will get much more for your money when these cards drop.

Or you never know AMD could fix their garbage? Yeah I’m not holding my breath. They seem to care more about releasing “leaks” about their up and coming big Navi than to fix things for consumers who have already given them their money.

I’m quite upset with AMD at this point. I will never pay another penny for another one of their products ever again and I urge others to do the same.
 
To all the users on this thread suffering from AMDs horrific driver scenario and has a near unusable system now, it looks like Nvidia is ready to announce new GPUs at the end of next month. I would suggest holding out on buying the 2xxx series until then as we will get much more for your money when these cards drop.

Or you never know AMD could fix their garbage? Yeah I’m not holding my breath. They seem to care more about releasing “leaks” about their up and coming big Navi than to fix things for consumers who have already given them their money.

I’m quite upset with AMD at this point. I will never pay another penny for another one of their products ever again and I urge others to do the same.
Looking at pretty much all your posts, one would be tempted to think that being near anything AMD would have the same effect on you as holy water on vampires.
 

Shadowboxer

TS Maniac
Looking at pretty much all your posts, one would be tempted to think that being near anything AMD would have the same effect on you as holy water on vampires.
Well, this driver issue has been going on a few months. My system is near unusable and AMD don’t appear to be doing anything about it. They are properly red misting me at the moment. I’m furious with them. And I Know I’m not the only one.

I’m a systems engineer, I know what I’m doing. The worst part is when I get fanboys telling everyone it’s all user error or conspiracy, like many have on this thread. When did the community become so tribal, toxic and well, dumb?

I hope AMD burn in hell. Consumers deserve better than this. This is easily the most anti consumer behaviour I have seen in my lifetime from any company.
 

Evernessince

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Duh. For the sake of sanity someone should go to the many forums where people are SIGNING UP RAPIDLY and make topics so they can expound on "People having fun playing games on their video cards or new Valve Index headset"'s and such, they can bloviate there, hopefully what's on /reddit will stay on reddit.

Cuz this ain't it bro, this newly minted topic is labeled "gamers are ditching Radeon graphics cards over driver issues", it's especially gritty for those of us who have a boxfull of s****y AMD powered cards with the majority blanking, hanging and freezing. Perhaps you can purchase one to find out firsthand. OMG laughing OL over the 5 "new" replies above.
Then again, many professional and customer reviewers haven't experienced these issues either. In fact the vast majority haven't. You'd think if the issue was so widespread, at least steve would have seen it once. I gave out 2 RX 580s this christmas and 3 last christmas (got them under $100 USD each) and not a single person has reported an issue. I play with many of these people over the weekend.


"For the sake of sanity someone should go to the many forums where people are SIGNING UP RAPIDLY and make topics so they can expound on "People having fun playing games on their video cards or new Valve Index headset"'s and such, they can bloviate there, hopefully what's on /reddit will stay on reddit."

Ironic given that both Techspot and where the poll was conducted have easy signups. The first page of comments would likely prove techspot more hyperbolic then most reddit threads as well. I really don't see how you missed that but if you agree with the statement you made here then you must also agree with my points against the poll as well and about the massive amounts of new accounts. After all, you can signup to techspot in under 20 seconds, email verification and all.

FYI, citing the title isn't going to help your case. Aside from elevated RMA rates (1% to 4%), there's no evidence that people are ditching their AMD cards. There is certainly no data to backup your claim that a majority of people are experiencing blanking, hanging, and freezing.
 

Evernessince

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Looking at pretty much all your posts, one would be tempted to think that being near anything AMD would have the same effect on you as holy water on vampires.
He doesn't own AMD. Looking at prior posts he makes specific comments about "hearing" that Navi's launch has been pretty bug free. This was less then a month ago FYI. In other words, he does not have direct experience.

He certainly doesn't have an AMD processor either given that he has prior posts trashing them as in every way inferior to Intel (which doesn't make sense given benchmarks but ok).

I think if you have logicallize all the statements he's made about AMD and the possibility that he actually owns AMD, you'd have come to the conclusion that there are bigger problems afoot in that kind of character psyche.
 
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Dimitrios

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Well, this driver issue has been going on a few months. My system is near unusable and AMD don’t appear to be doing anything about it. They are properly red misting me at the moment. I’m furious with them. And I Know I’m not the only one.

I’m a systems engineer, I know what I’m doing. The worst part is when I get fanboys telling everyone it’s all user error or conspiracy, like many have on this thread. When did the community become so tribal, toxic and well, dumb?

I hope AMD burn in hell. Consumers deserve better than this. This is easily the most anti consumer behaviour I have seen in my lifetime from any company.

I looked at your comments, I seriously thought you were a kid with how you respond. I know you're mad but that doesn't give you the right to tell everyone AMD sucks lol. I have no problems but that's probably because I don't update my drivers that much. Just like cars some people just have bad luck.

You're using your anger by bashing AMD and tell others not to buy so it band aids the hurt in you. Without AMD we all would be rocking out Pentium 4's with Geforce 3 cards. I think AMD is doing great for their size and with the money they make in CPU's they will be on track and with new consoles using AMD gpu's watch the winning that's going to happen.
 
Then again, many professional and customer reviewers haven't experienced these issues either. In fact the vast majority haven't. You'd think if the issue was so widespread, at least steve would have seen it once. I gave out 2 RX 580s this christmas and 3 last christmas (got them under $100 USD each) and not a single person has reported an issue. I play with many of these people over the weekend.
I get it, Everness..isuss...(?). It's not real until you and STEVE see it and report it. Unfortunately that doesn't promote your thesis since STEVE SAID he has had a "glitch/problem". STEVE STEVE! Hardware Unboxed STEVE.

And you spent all that time (still are) in this thread complaining about people you graded as not knowing this, or not owning that...and so on, judgemental much?

Oh, top kek! Jumpd the snark.

For the sake of sanity someone should go to the many forums where people are SIGNING UP RAPIDLY and make topics so they can expound on "People having fun playing games on their video cards or new Valve Index headset"'s and such, they can bloviate there, hopefully what's on /reddit will stay on reddit."
Ironic given that both Techspot and where the poll was conducted have easy signups. The first page of comments would likely prove techspot more hyperbolic then most reddit threads as well. I really don't see how you missed that but if you agree with the statement you made here then you must also agree with my points against the poll as well and about the massive amounts of new accounts. After all, you can signup to techspot in under 20 seconds, email verification and all.
It's the least ironic thing I've ever seen., com on, reddits roundly dismissed (everywhere). I haven't dissed your points directly because I don't necessarially disagree with the body of what you've written. I do know valid evidence can be construed from anecdotal accounts, something you seem very eager to discount. Almost as readily as I disregard informational items from the cesspools of the web..

FYI, citing the title isn't going to help your case.
I don't exactly have a case, the title is the topic which is our guide..lord knows I'm off topic enough, don't encourage that. Lol

Aside from elevated RMA rates (1% to 4%), there's no evidence that people are ditching their AMD cards. There is certainly no data to backup your claim that a majority of people are experiencing blanking, hanging, and freezing.
I have never said "a majority of people", what I said is a majority of NEW versions of AMD card's I've purchased are problematic. I have an [edit misspelling] 'inkling' about RMA's from sources at two different AIB producers, I'll take their word for it if they happen to mention things are not all shiny and bright in the marketplace.
 
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Evernessince

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I get it, Everness..isuss...(?). It's not real until you and STEVE see it and report it. Unfortunately that doesn't promote your thesis since STEVE SAID he has had a "glitch/problem". STEVE STEVE! Hardware Unboxed STEVE.

And you spent all that time (still are) in this thread complaining about people you graded as not knowing this, or not owning that...and so on, judgemental much?

Oh, top kek! Jumpd the snark.
From the article:

"I should preface this by saying we haven't run into any major issues after countless hours of testing new Radeon GPUs in our labs. Around 4-5 months ago I ran into the black screen bug once. We’re not even sure if it's the same "black screen bug" people are complaining about, or if the two are even related. My issue was seen when updating the display driver, after a reset the Windows desktop wasn’t seen again, I was instead presented with a blank screen every time Windows loaded. "

So in fact, looks like it does.

I mentioned other professional reviewers and customer reviews as well. I never relied solely on my or steve's observation alone.

It's the least ironic thing I've ever seen., com on, reddits roundly dismissed (everywhere). I haven't dissed your points directly because I don't necessarially disagree with the body of what you've written. I do know valid evidence can be construed from anecdotal accounts, something you seem very eager to discount. Almost as readily as I disregard informational items from the cesspools of the web..
Then you should see the AMD reddit. This topic made top karma as did the AMD boost issue as did AMD putting an icon on your desktop (link to a game) before that. People might downvote individual comments on a post but I rarely see a serious issue that is affecting multiple users get buried. So long as you aren't browsing a reddit that attracts people under the ague of 16, you should see relatively civil discussion (of course there are always trolls).

I'm not saying my anecdotal evidence is worth very much. I'm using it more as a guidepost. I'd be more willing to overturn my opinion if there was solid evidence to the contrary. Instead what I'm seeing is solid evidence (reviews, professional reviews, ect) supporting it. After all, if I simply changed my mind based on other personal accounts, that would be more of an indication that I didn't put much effort into forming my opinion in the first place. That IMO would be a greater mishap. An inquiry is started on an observation,and then an opinion made on facts. I should reiterate, it just the poll numbers I am disputing. I know this issue is a big problem.

I have never said "a majority of people", what I said is a majority of NEW versions of AMD card's I've purchased are problematic. I have an inking about RMA's from sources at two different AIB producers, I'll take their word for it if they happen to mention things are not all shiny and bright in the marketplace.
Hmm, I can't say much on this specifically as I'd have no idea how to isolate for just the new versions. The poll, reviews, ect don't really target that specifically.
 

McMurdeR

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The issue isn't necessary that AMD are bad at PC GPU drivers.. its that Nvidia is unquestionably good at it - in fact its one of their main selling points. As much as Nvidia treat their customers with distain, they do fundamental reliability almost flawlessly. That's what drives their success.
 
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s3thra

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My first Radeon card was a 9600 XT which I put in the first PC that I built for myself. I upgraded to a GeForce 6600 GT to play Unreal Tournament 2004 more smoothly and used that for years.

I went back to Radeon with my next PC with a HD 4830. This card didn't last long as it had a hardware failure, so I had it replaced with a HD 5770 under warranty.

I enjoyed a few good years with this card until my next build with a R9 270X, which I eventually ran in CrossFire mode after getting a second one.

Later on I built another PC, the one I'm typing on now, with a RX 580. The PC that had the R9 270X crossfire setup now has an RX 570.

I run my main PC (Ryzen 2600 + RX 580) using Kubuntu 19.10, and my secondary PC (i5 3570k + RX 570) using Windows 10.

I know I'm just one person, therefore only one test case, but I've spent some serious time around these graphics cards over the years, but in all the years I've run my cards on the various Windows and Linux platforms I've used, I've never attributed any issues I've had on my PCs to ATI/AMD graphics drivers! Never!
 

Dimitrios

TS Guru
The issue isn't necessary that AMD are bad at PC GPU drivers.. its that Nvidia is unquestionably good at it - in fact its one of their main selling points. As much as Nvidia treat their customers with distain, they do fundamental reliability almost flawlessly. That's what drives their success.
If what you say is true then why do older AMD cards age better and sometimes beat Nvidia in future benchmarks as time goes on?
 

psycros

TS Evangelist
Why aren't people using DDU to clean install their drivers?
When I used RX 580 and Vega 56, I haven't had any of those issues even upgrading the drivers to latest version was relatively painless.
The only problem I encountered with Vega 56 was that my system would wake up from sleep mode by displaying Static noise on the display which could only be remedied with an OS restart (and this issue started appearing on drivers after version 19.5.2 - but nothing in regards to flickering, black screens, pink or green screens, or driver crashes - and the static noise on display is relatively easily remedied by using Hybernate as opposed to sleep, though I'd prefer AMD fixed that problem).

With major changes to drivers, yes, you'd be expected to use DDU to clean up any residuals from before (as there are too many changes in between drivers to expect a 'clean transition') and do a clean install of latest drivers instead.

Its standard practice.
If you had an NV gpu in your PC and then decided to change for AMD, how the freaking heck do you expect your GPU to function if you have REMNANTS in your OS from the previous GPU you used?
Those are NOTORIOUS for causing problems and people were recommending clean driver installs (and removing remnants of old drivers) before installing a new GPU in your system.

Not saying that AMD doesn't have driver problems, but I also do think people are exacerbating this issue with their own lack of competence by not using any logic or reason for that matter.
DDU? Never heard of it. And if AMD didn't intend to have drivers be upgradable then they wouldn't have that option in their driver control program, would they? Bottom line: Nvidia users aren't encountering the sort of bone-headed mistakes that AMD customers have been dealing with for over a decade. Its not even debatable.