Hogwarts, Valhalla, and Starfield all run on three very different engines but the first two of them have one thing in common -- they're designed to work on as broad a range of platforms as possible. I don't just mean consoles vs PCs, I also mean PCs vs PCs. Unreal Engine and Ubisoft's Anvil are very similar in that they're not specifically focused on one architecture, whereas Creation Engine 2 almost certainly is these days.Perhaps it is just AMD optimizations, then again, perhaps it is a lack of Nvidia optimizations due to console first and then ported to PC.
I can confirm the Control RT results are accurate, having just retested. I'm benchmarking at the start of the game, both GPUs deliver similar results. The F1 23 data is also accurate, I'm using the built-in benchmark there so the data should be easy to validate.@Steve, check it. RT numbers are fully contradictory vs other tech oulets. There might have been a mistake.
hat Control RT result is 100% wrong.
In no way the 7800xt and 4070 are the same performance.
For Eurogamer at 1440p https://www.eurogamer.net/digitalfoundry-2023-amd-rx-7800-xt-7700-xt-review?page=2
7800xt - 49.64 fps vs 4070 - 57.18
7800xt - 44.3 fps vs 4070 - 52.8
From Tom's Hardware
7800xt - 49 fps vs 4070 - 59.4 fps
No way these two perform the same in Control RT. The 4070 should be about 20% faster
Edit - F123 is also. From AMD's own numbers the 4070 should be 16% ahead (the 7800xt is 14% slower)
Calisto Protocol is another one where the 4070 is 10% faster (7800xt is 9% slower)
I have serious questions to what RT settings were used to get this card to a point that even AMD couldnt
What's really odd is that my frame rates for both GPUs are much higher, using what looks to be the same settings. I'm wondering if this is an issue with the 13900K. We've seen some odd scaling behavior in some games comparing the 13900K and 7800X3D. I'm going to re-test these two GPUs using the 13900K in Control and F1 23 tomorrow to see if I can replicate these results.Link to all results : Techpowerup
For example F1 23.
I think that differences are caused by different settings and choosed games.
But I cannot find summary in reputable portals with 7800xt as good in Rt as in Your test.
I believe that the results are correct, but I don't know why they are so on positive side for 7800xt in compare to others
You can also ask Steve from Gamers Nexus:
1440p f1 - gamers nexus
Doesn't Guru3D have them neck and neck in the 3 games they tested with RT?Yeah, HUB's numbers are super odd.
pcgh have rtx4070 beat 7800xt in a 10 game rt roundup by +22%
purepc show +27%, but those are all very demanding locations in very heavy rt games, with multiple effects enabled, all pc-level rt, not console-level rt.
Test kart graficznych AMD Radeon RX 7800 XT vs NVIDIA GeForce RTX 4070 - Wydajność bliska AMD Radeon RX 6900 XT | PurePC.plTest kart graficznych AMD Radeon RX 7800 XT vs NVIDIA GeForce RTX 4070 - Wydajność bliska AMD Radeon RX 6900 XT (strona 32) Test karty graficznej AMD Radeon RX 7800 XT vs NVIDIA GeForce RTX 4070 - która jest szybsza? Czy Radeon RX 7800 XT ma wydajność bliską AMD Radeon RX 6900 XT?www.purepc.pl
same as THG, also showing about 27% avg difference in 6 games (though their MetroEE run included hairworks), and 4070 winning in Control RT by 20%
Guru3D shows 4070 winning Callisto RT
AMD has elegantly unveiled the Radeon RX 7800 XT, marking a refined expansion of their product range that spans from mainstream to the high-end graphics niche. This addition epitomizes a significant s... (Raytracing) Callisto Protocolwww.guru3d.com
I read multiple reviews and only on HUB I've seen 7800xt comparable to 4070 on average in RT, and not losing by 15% or more. Sure, there are cases where it gets close or wins, but take +10 games and no one showed it close.
the F1 23 result I've seen from THG shows 4070 win by 9% on avg. fps and 25% on min fps
I agree 3 games is quite anecdotal evidence, therefore I only used callisto result as it's different form Yours. And none of them are actually that rt-heavy looking at fps they're getting at native.Doesn't Guru3D have them neck and neck in the 3 games they tested with RT?
Obviously it comes down to the games tested and the number of games.
Sure, there's lots of bad titles there for AMD like The Riftbreaker, Dying Light 2, Metro Exodus and CP2077. In the cross over games like Dying Light 2 and CP2077 we also found the 7800 XT to be very weak.I agree 3 games is quite anecdotal evidence, therefore I only used callisto result as it's different form Yours. And none of them are actually that rt-heavy looking at fps they're getting at native.
Plus I think all 3 are amd sponsored anyway, kinda one-sided.
I think the pcgh result is the most objective one, 10 games, 4 resolutions, ranging from light console level rt to heavy pc rt.
It must be hairworks or some other setting in Metro, I found 6800 never had problems with running +60fps rtgi on at 1440p native.Sure, there's lots of bad titles there for AMD like The Riftbreaker, Dying Light 2, Metro Exodus and CP2077. In the cross over games like Dying Light 2 and CP2077 we also found the 7800 XT to be very weak.