GM announces $107,000 all-electric 2024 GMC Sierra Denali

scavengerspc

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And you sir are full of it. Not a single outfit in the construction industry along with the oil & gas industry are using electric pickups tmk.
If you even for one second think that anyone would be surprised that the oil and gas industry refuses to use an electric pickup, then you are way lost.

The oil and gas industry is about as likely to use an electric pickup as Christian Ministries is to put Neil deGrasse Tyson on its board of directors.

I am on large construction sites many times every year and if you even think that electric trucks are all, then you have never seen all electric heavy track machinery.

In fact, after less than a year, the all electric Bobcat compact loaders are already showing up everywhere.

 
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AlaskaGuy

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If you even for one second think that anyone would be surprised that the oil and gas industry refuses to use an electric pickup, then you are way lost.

The oil and gas industry is about as likely to use an electric pickup as Christian Ministries is to put Neil deGrasse Tyson on its board of directors.

I am on large construction sites many times every year and if you even think that electric trucks are all, then you have never seen all electric heavy track machinery.

In fact, after less than a year, the all electric Bobcat compact loaders are already showing up everywhere.

Construction outfits purchasing an electric loader vs a diesel. 😅
 

AlaskaGuy

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Only in college as a laborer. Then every day of my life as an Architect.
I'll fill ya in then. A construction outfit isn't going to wait on charging a loader. Some of those outfits work two shifts around the clock and some of the more remote jobs rely on generators for power until it's brought in.
 

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I'll fill ya in then. A construction outfit isn't going to wait on charging a loader. Some of those outfits work two shifts around the clock and some of the more remote jobs rely on generators for power until it's brought in.
And I will tell you the facts. They don't have to wait. They charge overnight, and they are hooked up to level 3 chargers on breaks. They make it through the day easily, though I will say I have never seen them on 2 rotations. The ones I have seen work a single 8-10 hour shift, though I can't see why they couldn't work 2 shifts. Of course, constant use isn't possible yet.

And I can tell you that love them or not, Arkansas road crews are using some of them and the laborers just love working near them without having to breathe in the exhaust fumes.

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And I will tell you the facts. They don't have to wait. They charge overnight, and they are hooked up to level 3 chargers on breaks. They make it through the day easily, though I will say I have never seen them on 2 rotations. The ones I have seen work a single 8-10 hour shift, though I can't see why they couldn't work 2 shifts. Of course, constant use isn't possible yet.

And I can tell you that love them or not, Arkansas road crews are using some of them and the laborers just love working near them without having to breathe in the exhaust fumes.

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And, you wonder why electricity prices are so high. That's right. add more of these monstrocities to the grid. The world doesn't have the technology yet for a switch over. We are 20 to 30 years away, at least. If you can afford utility prices going up each year like they are, more power to you. I completely disagree with your arguements I've seen posted. They are just out of touch with the reality of how things work.

But doesn't mean I don't like you, just don't agree with you on this subject. I've seen MANY other things you've posted that are great!
 

yRaz

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Not just wrong. Damn wrong.

Not necessary. But I can't wait until the next thread when you say that!
I actually always look forward to it.

Wrong again. Especially for on site trucks, builders are saving a ton of cash and the drivetrain is damn near maintenance free.

I think it's funny you think that never happens with smoke pumps.

No comment. The cause of that line of thought is not your fault.

You know, I really like reading so many of your posts.
But when it comes to EVs, you are just plain clueless and really bad at it.
So I'm not going to break down your entire post, but he isn't entirely wrong, the crossover point for EV's is around 60k miles. The problem with that is most EV's are just suited for city driving so it takes a REALLY long time to get to that crossover point.

And as someone who works commercial construction, the only On-Site vehicles we use that are electric are scissor lifts and fork lifts. On occasion we have small tractors that are electric that we use in confined spaces where fumes are an issue.

And I will tell you the facts. They don't have to wait. They charge overnight, and they are hooked up to level 3 chargers on breaks. They make it through the day easily, though I will say I have never seen them on 2 rotations. The ones I have seen work a single 8-10 hour shift, though I can't see why they couldn't work 2 shifts. Of course, constant use isn't possible yet.

And I can tell you that love them or not, Arkansas road crews are using some of them and the laborers just love working near them without having to breathe in the exhaust fumes.

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I can't speak to Arkansas, but here in Pennsylvania I have yet to see a single road crew using electric anything and they don't call us the "orange barrel state" for nothing. There just aren't places on the roads to charge those things so they'd have to charge them with a diesel generator. And keep in mind, all of these machines are diesel-electric.

I travel all over the northeast for work and I RARELY see electric anything outside of application specific machinery where safety or fumes are a major concern.
 

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And, you wonder why electricity prices are so high. That's right. add more of these monstrocities to the grid. The world doesn't have the technology yet for a switch over. We are 20 to 30 years away, at least. If you can afford utility prices going up each year like they are, more power to you. I completely disagree with your arguements I've seen posted. They are just out of touch with the reality of how things work.
To be honest, if I suggested that the electric loaders and pickups on job sites are anything other than miniscule, I apologize. The number of sites where I have seen these vehicles is very, very small. All I am saying is that it is being tried and so far the site superintendents are quite happy overall. But I'm not saying they are drooling over them.
the crossover point for EV's is around 60k miles.
I think I should mention that though even that number is probably a bit high, I agree for the most part, though as an EV owner myself, every time I drive it. I'm still waiting for all the downsides I'm supposed to be witnessing and have been for a year now.
I should also point out Alaska said 200,000 miles, which is ridiculous.
I travel all over the northeast for work and I RARELY see electric anything outside of application specific machinery where safety or fumes are a major concern.
And as I said in my response above, if I suggested that the electric loaders and pickups on job sites are anything other than miniscule, I apologize. But they are being tried here and in fact if interested keep an eye on the KARK and THV news sites because they both are covering the stories.
 

SRB

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That "you're going to have to replace the batteries" argument is nothing but propaganda furthered by the anti-EV crowd. It's more likely that your vehicle will have to be replaced due to the body rusting before the battery will wear out - especially if you live in a region that uses lots of road salt in the winter.

That said, however, the cost of this vehicle is insanely steep, IMO. I'm not surprised, though. SUVs and Pickups have been notoriously priced to line the pocket of American vehicle manufacturers for a long time.

Actually, no, it's not propaganda. I work on both hybrid and a few full electric vehicles. Because of the chemistry of charging, the batteries have a finite life, like any battery, it depends on charge cycles, discharge levels, and age. Some will last, some won't. Add to that that the newer batteries are packed with cooling/heating plates with liquid cooling (that can leak), Individual cells are not replaceable for the most part, and the sheer mass and weight requires additional lifting/safety equipment, repair prices will go up. Finally, Hybrid batteries for our vehicles a few months ago were about $5,500, plug in hybrids $10,000-12,000, and full electric well north of $20,000, not including any labor. Now, add to that, Ford Focus electric, per article on this website, battery would have been $14,000 (100mi range), but actually is obsolete from Ford and no longer available for an example. and we're being lead down the garden path.
 

SRB

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To be honest, if I suggested that the electric loaders and pickups on job sites are anything other than miniscule, I apologize. The number of sites where I have seen these vehicles is very, very small. All I am saying is that it is being tried and so far the site superintendents are quite happy overall. But I'm not saying they are drooling over them.

I think I should mention that though even that number is probably a bit high, I agree for the most part, though as an EV owner myself, every time I drive it. I'm still waiting for all the downsides I'm supposed to be witnessing and have been for a year now.
I should also point out Alaska said 200,000 miles, which is ridiculous.

And as I said in my response above, if I suggested that the electric loaders and pickups on job sites are anything other than miniscule, I apologize. But they are being tried here and in fact if interested keep an eye on the KARK and THV news sites because they both are covering the stories.

This is a lot like politics, if your not with me, your against me, and must be crushed. I don't think ANYBODY is anti-EV, or alternative energy. The problem is that some want this stuff soooo bad, that practicality and expense are non issues. Golf carts supplanted gas with electricity a long time ago, but both still co-exist depending on the use case and others. There are a lot of places electric can be better that gas powered, like front end loaders, golf carts, scooters, short range delivery. Time will tell. There's a reason the vast majority of EV car/truck owners still own a gas powered car as well.

Let the market sort it out. Like light bulbs, if the tech matures, it will come. Don't push.
 
Seriously wtf GM - whose going to buy this and how are you going to compete with true luxury marques for the same price? - there is no cachet in GM, as say BMW or Mercedes (or even Tesla in a technology way) so you've made an unaffordable product only for the wealthy (not your traditional market) who care about brand snobbery above all and you expect them to buy it?

Double your marketing team and fire your head of vehicle developement please!

Do you really think the folks who can actually buy this are concerned about energy efficency? They CAN buy all the gas they want because they're all invested into that empire and benefit when prices go up!

For the rest of us (~%90) make something like the bolt cheaper and better and sell millions like Toyota does with the Corolla and that's how you win this turn around point in your existence (and b!tch slap your dealers whilst your at it!!)

Another luxury toy that you'll sell 500 of and not break even on for R&D no doubt but concentrate on your existing market please - or the Chinese or Indian manufacturers will hand you your a** with their cheaper cars!

And you can bet your market is going for cheaper cars - not luxury toys.

Brand loyalty is a thing of the past - forget Ford vs Chevy or stupid things like that in the past - your not competing for HP anymore, just range and efficency.
(plus it's GM vs Tesla, Nissan, VW, Ford and all the foreign newcomers nowadays - and it has been for the last 3 years)

YMMV but pander to your faithful, not another market you don't play well in.
 

SRB

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Seriously wtf GM - whose going to buy this and how are you going to compete with true luxury marques for the same price? - there is no cachet in GM, as say BMW or Mercedes (or even Tesla in a technology way) so you've made an unaffordable product only for the wealthy (not your traditional market) who care about brand snobbery above all and you expect them to buy it?

Double your marketing team and fire your head of vehicle developement please!

Do you really think the folks who can actually buy this are concerned about energy efficency? They CAN buy all the gas they want because they're all invested into that empire and benefit when prices go up!

For the rest of us (~%90) make something like the bolt cheaper and better and sell millions like Toyota does with the Corolla and that's how you win this turn around point in your existence (and b!tch slap your dealers whilst your at it!!)

Another luxury toy that you'll sell 500 of and not break even on for R&D no doubt but concentrate on your existing market please - or the Chinese or Indian manufacturers will hand you your a** with their cheaper cars!

And you can bet your market is going for cheaper cars - not luxury toys.

Brand loyalty is a thing of the past - forget Ford vs Chevy or stupid things like that in the past - your not competing for HP anymore, just range and efficency.
(plus it's GM vs Tesla, Nissan, VW, Ford and all the foreign newcomers nowadays - and it has been for the last 3 years)

YMMV but pander to your faithful, not another market you don't play well in.
You think that's bad, you should see the $300,000+ Cadillac getting ready for release.