It's Unnecessary But, AMD Is Basically Lying About CPU Performance

[phxrider]

In AMD's favor, while it's obviously not presenting a CPU-dependent situation, if you're going cheap with a ~$200 and under CPU like AM4 at this point in time, you're not buying a $700 GPU like the 7900XT... so that situation, while technically providing a more accurate CPU benchmark, doesn't represent how anyone buying the processor will actually be running it.

And reversing that, in the situation a typical buyer will be using a 5800XT, which is with a cheap GPU, it IS just as good as anything else for games.

 

[Lew Zealand]

the problem with such review is they are using vulkan game with max avx512 support and 6000-6400mhz ram so of course amd will perform a bit better than intel if you disable avx512 on intel and cut his half memory support.

amd throttle with memory above 6400 mhz so the real question is why testing with vulkan games, why not allowing intel cpu to use 100% his power?

if you want to test a race between 2 car, will you prevent one car from using maxed gear? I hope no ... using maximum memory frequncy on amd but average memory frequency support on intel isn't really fair play ... there is like 250 vulkan games in the world so yeah amd processor can perform better only if you limits intel processor and use such game otherwise in others 99.9% game amd has no chance.

Cherrypicking games is useless unless you play only those exact games. Opinions that run counter to what all game reviewers are showing contain little useful information.

The wide mix of games that TS and TPU and GN use cover various game engines and APIs and their results agree with other reviewers so I'll continue to take their results seriously instead of random internet opinions.

 

[Burty117]

As said, it's standard practice to use high end GPU for CPU testing, so you probably won't see much else.

I don't have to wonder because reasons are simple: review practices try to avoid other components being bottlenecks. If one component is bottlenecking, there is not much point on testing of course. But again, every system has at least single bottleneck and tbh majority of gaming systems are probably bottlenecked by GPU, not CPU. That's why AMD testing actually makes much more sense than standard practices.

Right, I’m not trying to disagree with you here, I’m trying to make your points stand, so, again, since you make such a convincing argument (and you and me have been on this site for many years and I can link us back to the nvidia 780 review) why can’t I find a single, not one, not a single website testing CPU’s with a low end GPU?

And vice-versa btw… not a single site testing GPU’s with a low end CPU.

Can you explain why the way AMD tested (and yourself) is superior to how every single reviewer does it? Or at least explain why, even the darkest corners of the internet, Don’t seem to review your way?

I’m genuinely interested, for curiosity sake, why after over a decade on this website, you still believe in the above.

 

[cmppc]

0.o..

I think all Steve has PROVEN is that there was no reason for LGA1700 or even the 14900k when the AM4's 5800X 3D is within a few frames of the latest i9 in all of these tests...!

Imagine all the people who bought a 12th-Gen CPU and has no upgrade path other than a 14900k... they getting hosed!

LGA1700 is dead...

steve is again'st intel and most of test mean nothing. take example on the power consumption ... steeve said amd power consumption is less than intel because he only used multithreading app/games during test... in a everyday use, you won't use multicore 24 hours in a days and right now, I'm using 6w with 2 webpage opened while on your amd you would use over 65w.

I noticed that steve always use amd games in every test so he prove what exactly? that amd perform better if you limits intel cpu? o_0

 

[Burty117]

the problem with such review is they are using vulkan game with max avx512 support and 6000-6400mhz ram so of course amd will perform a bit better than intel if you disable avx512 on intel and cut his half memory support.

amd throttle with memory above 6400 mhz so the real question is why testing with vulkan games, why not allowing intel cpu to use 100% his power?

if you want to test a race between 2 car, will you prevent one car from using maxed gear? I hope no ... using maximum memory frequncy on amd but average memory frequency support on intel isn't really fair play ... there is like 250 vulkan games in the world so yeah amd processor can perform better only if you limits intel processor and use such game otherwise in others 99.9% game amd has no chance.

Sorry, @cmppc are you sure that’s the claims you want to go with? Have you even read the review over at Techpowerup? Because I hate to break this to you, but most of the games in there don’t support Vulkan…

 

[cmppc]

Cherrypicking games is useless unless you play only those exact games. Opinions that run counter to what all game reviewers are showing contain little useful information.

The wide mix of games that TS and TPU and GN use cover various game engines and APIs and their results agree with other reviewers so I'll continue to take their results seriously instead of random internet opinions.

lol on 20 games, there is only one non vulkan game and the only game that amd perform worst ...

why using old game with few players on it when you can compare with most played game? you won't see league of legend benchmark because they use single core. it is also one of top 10 games the most played since years ... same for rocket league, genchin impact, elder ring, destiny 2, hades, persona, final fantasy, etc they all have something in common ... amd perform worst in all these games but most people play them

 

[Burty117]

steve is again'st intel and most of test mean nothing. take example on the power consumption ... steeve said amd power consumption is less than intel because he only used multithreading app/games during test... in a everyday use, you won't use multicore 24 hours in a days and right now, I'm using 6w with 2 webpage opened while on your amd you would use over 65w.

I noticed that steve always use amd games in every test so he prove what exactly? that amd perform better if you limits intel cpu? o_0

I play Heroes of the Storm, regularly (yes I have something wrong with me), I have a 13700K and a 7950X3D, very basic game, want me to measure the power usage? Without going off and measuring, I can tell you the outcome if you’d like?

 

[cmppc]

Sorry, @cmppc are you sure that’s the claims you want to go with? Have you even read the review over at Techpowerup? Because I hate to break this to you, but most of the games in there don’t support Vulkan…

techpowerup is a clickbait ... he's the one that write fake news for more click...

look at that ...

Intel Isolates Root Cause of Raptor Lake Stability Issues to a Faulty eTVB Microcode Algorithm

Intel has identified the root cause for stability issues being observed with certain high-end 13th- and 14th Gen Core "Raptor Lake" processor models, which were causing games and other compute-intensive applications to randomly crash. When the issues were first identified, Intel recommended a...

www.techpowerup.com

he don't care if it's true or false because the only goal is to get a maximum of click and yes ... techpowerup always use vulkan games

 

[cmppc]

I play Heroes of the Storm, regularly (yes I have something wrong with me), I have a 13700K and a 7950X3D, very basic game, want me to measure the power usage? Without going off and measuring, I can tell you the outcome if you’d like?

go ahead

 

[Lew Zealand]

steve is again'st intel and most of test mean nothing. take example on the power consumption ... steeve said amd power consumption is less than intel because he only used multithreading app/games during test... in a everyday use, you won't use multicore 24 hours in a days and right now, I'm using 6w with 2 webpage opened while on your amd you would use over 65w.

Wow, so you're just making things up now. Your opinions were suspect beforehand as you had no data but now I can easily ignore them.

I noticed that steve always use amd games in every test so he prove what exactly? that amd perform better if you limits intel cpu? o_0

TPU tests with Intel. Their results agree with TechSpot. I couldn't even tell you what Steve at GN tests with and it doesn't matter as his results agree, too. They have all earned trust with their benchmarking over time, simple as that.

lol on 20 games, there is only one non vulkan game and the only game that amd perform worst ...

What Vulkan games are you referring to? Yet another random claim with nothing to back it up.

why using old game with few players on it when you can compare with most played game? you won't see league of legend benchmark because they use single core. it is also one of top 10 games the most played since years ... same for rocket league, genchin impact, elder ring, destiny 2, hades, persona, final fantasy, etc they all have something in common ... amd perform worst in all these games but most people play them

No data, just claims. Yet again.

 

[manowar51]

It's not cherrypicked, it's an average of a bunch of games. You'd know that if you'd looked at source at the bottom of my post.



For many people the improvements in 1% lows and frametime consistency are most important and make all the difference even if the averages are merely 24% better. Paying $100 more in an entire system for that improvement is worth it. AMD has already said that next gen will not quite match this gen's X3D in gaming. However there is next gen's X3D parts of course.



For you and lots of people. Also for me when I had a 5600 and a 6600 XT. Based on sales, the X3Ds seem to be excellent options for a great many other people.



I now use a 6800 XT and could see the difference easily when upgrading from an OC'd R5 5600 to a 5800X3D in CPU-limited games. Not much in the average fps as I usually run at VSync 80 or 100 or 144fps game-dependent, but the improvement was very welcome in the 1% lows/frametime smoothness. That tells me that at least 1 more GPU tier down would still make a welcome difference and that's before lowering quality. Some people really like their fps so are happy to play at Medium or performance-optimized settings so even a $300 GPU will reap good frametime/1% low benefits from a top-tier CPU.

You appear to have been conned by the marketing. These X3D chips offer little to no extra benefit when paired with a mid range GPU and yet AMD want to charge through the nose for them.

If you want to spend your money go ahead. But please stop trying to pretend theres value here. There really isnt.

 

[cmppc]

0.o..

I think all Steve has PROVEN is that there was no reason for LGA1700 or even the 14900k when the AM4's 5800X 3D is within a few frames of the latest i9 in all of these tests...!

Imagine all the people who bought a 12th-Gen CPU and has no upgrade path other than a 14900k... they getting hosed!

LGA1700 is dead...

lol imagine all the peoples who bought a amd and are still stuck on pcie 1.0 ,sdram technologies move and if you don't change your motherboard it become a weakness.

another good things about intel ... intel z mobo cost half the amd x version so changing mobo cost peanut only compared to amd ...

 

[cmppc]

Wow, so you're just making things up now. Your opinions were suspect beforehand as you had no data but now I can easily ignore them.



TPU tests with Intel. Their results agree with TechSpot. I couldn't even tell you what Steve at GN tests with and it doesn't matter as his results agree, too. They have all earned trust with their benchmarking over time, simple as that.



What Vulkan games are you referring to? Yet another random claim with nothing to back it up.



No data, just claims. Yet again.

no data? it's full of data on google .... does I have to teach you how to use tools like google? seriously?
I guess if you ignore what games being tested I guess I can say you are just a follower and using a minimum of intelligence is too much asked for you ... again .. it's full of games review on techpowerup that use cyberpunk, spiderman, etc in other word... all games tested by amd for showing how powerfull is amd processor...

when I look at any review the first thing I do is searching for missing variable. but seem the only thing you do is watching the result without understanding anything and the proof ... you totaly ignore what game has been tested lol like seriously?

vulkan game being tested by such fan boy re baldurs'gate , cyberpunk, cs, doom, hitman, metro, no man sky, red dead, saint row, tom clancy, warzone, spiderman... in other word .. ALL VULKAN

 

[Lew Zealand]

no data? it's full of data on google .... does I have to teach you how to use tools like google? seriously?
I guess if you ignore what games being tested I guess I can say you are just a follower and using a minimum of intelligence is too much asked for you ... again .. it's full of games review on techpowerup that use cyberpunk, spiderman, etc in other word... all games tested by amd for showing how powerfull is amd processor...

when I look at any review the first thing I do is searching for missing variable. but seem the only thing you do is watching the result without understanding anything and the proof ... you totaly ignore what game has been tested lol like seriously?

vulkan game being tested by such fan boy re baldurs'gate , cyberpunk, cs, doom, hitman, metro, no man sky, red dead, saint row, tom clancy, warzone, spiderman... in other word .. ALL VULKAN

Sure dude. Have a nice day!

 

[HardReset]

Right, I’m not trying to disagree with you here, I’m trying to make your points stand, so, again, since you make such a convincing argument (and you and me have been on this site for many years and I can link us back to the nvidia 780 review) why can’t I find a single, not one, not a single website testing CPU’s with a low end GPU?

And vice-versa btw… not a single site testing GPU’s with a low end CPU.

Can you explain why the way AMD tested (and yourself) is superior to how every single reviewer does it? Or at least explain why, even the darkest corners of the internet, Don’t seem to review your way?

I’m genuinely interested, for curiosity sake, why after over a decade on this website, you still believe in the above.

Like I already said, it's standard practice so everyone does it. You can rarely find and tests with other bottlenecks either. Like these sites virtually always use big high end SSD for not making storage speed bottleneck, very high wattage PSU, high or very high amount of fast or very fast memory, water cooling or high end air cooler...

You see point? Minimizing bottlenecks is reason.

AMD testing is superior because it represents more realistic scenario. When you don't have unlimited budget, there will be bottlenecks on system, big ones if one part is high end and others are not. AMD represents realistic scenario but Steve considers his "we have to have differences between products even if scenario is unrealistic" -approach only right one. Steve has freedom to have Opinions but accusing AMD about Lying just because he disagrees with testing methods is pretty bad journalism.

 

[cmppc]

Like I already said, it's standard practice so everyone does it. You can rarely find and tests with other bottlenecks either. Like these sites virtually always use big high end SSD for not making storage speed bottleneck, very high wattage PSU, high or very high amount of fast or very fast memory, water cooling or high end air cooler...

You see point? Minimizing bottlenecks is reason.

AMD testing is superior because it represents more realistic scenario. When you don't have unlimited budget, there will be bottlenecks on system, big ones if one part is high end and others are not. AMD represents realistic scenario but Steve considers his "we have to have differences between products even if scenario is unrealistic" -approach only right one. Steve has freedom to have Opinions but accusing AMD about Lying just because he disagrees with testing methods is pretty bad journalism.

99.9% test don't even care about bottleneck. most bench use basic memory with bottleneck problem instead high mt/s. even a sata ssd won't bottleneck because 99.9% games use mip maps or lods group so only one texture at lower resolution are loaded so even with 100k textures resolution you won't bottleneck

I agree with you .. steve don't even know how to test something but his follower always listen to him like steve is a god lol so don't worries about that anyone with a minimum of logic know that steve is wrong so leave the stupid peoples alone

 

[m3tavision]

steve is again'st intel and most of test mean nothing. take example on the power consumption ... steeve said amd power consumption is less than intel because he only used multithreading app/games during test... in a everyday use, you won't use multicore 24 hours in a days and right now, I'm using 6w with 2 webpage opened while on your amd you would use over 65w.

I noticed that steve always use amd games in every test so he prove what exactly? that amd perform better if you limits intel cpu? o_0

What..?

Who cares about power consumption, when you are going after a Gaming CPU...? Power consumption is an issue for those devices that are NOT plugged in and are mobile. And people who game on Mobile devices already made their compromise. Who builds a PC to web browse ?

Coincidentally, when you have an AMD CPU that is more efficient AND faster at Gaming = win/win.


If you are worried about consuming more than 6w of energy while web browsing, perhaps you should just be using your phone.

 

[m3tavision]

You appear to have been conned by the marketing. These X3D chips offer little to no extra benefit when paired with a mid range GPU and yet AMD want to charge through the nose for them.

If you want to spend your money go ahead. But please stop trying to pretend theres value here. There really isnt.

And yet you need a 7800X 3D to get the most out of a 4090...


X3D chips are the best performing Gaming CPUs on the market. Even a 5 year old AM4 System can be upgraded beyond current iNTEL 14th Gen systems for just $249..! So those who built 12th-13th Gen system know they got hosed when buying an LGA1700 system.

 

[Strawman]

And yet you need a 7800X 3D to get the most out of a 4090...


X3D chips are the best performing Gaming CPUs on the market. Even a 5 year old AM4 System can be upgraded beyond current iNTEL 14th Gen systems for just $249..! So those who built 12th-13th Gen system know they got hosed when buying an LGA1700 system.

Due to the nvidia driver overhead you need an Intel CPU to get the most out of the 4090, 8 cores aren't enough

 

[saviourOfgalxy]

Perf at stock.

Am I supposed to like, take this seriously?

no you should not!

 

[m3tavision]

@Strawman
Do you ever listen to yourself. You are AMD's greatest salesperson.