So you only have PCI slots and want to game?

[teklord]

All in all is a good card but its not what i hoped for and even more important here in Venezuela where i live pci cards are pretty rare so the prices are really stupid son im gonna sell it and upgrade my whole PC haha....

Never pay more than about $100 dollars for a PCI card, they are so weak compared to even a AGP 4x card which is 8 times more powerful and doesn't share it's bandwidth with the other PCI slots. I think instead of buying another 8500GT, I'm going to put another mobo in my PC and reinstall Windows. I found an incredible mobo that fits my PC perfectly and is cutting edge technology(incredible find), so I'm going to go with that.

I still think PCI cards like the Albatron 8600GT will help a lot of people, especially the ones that just bought an OEM machine with no graphics card slots. People should be more open minded about these cards, but not be oblivious to the fact that they are ultra weak compared to better technology.

As for Tha General, I think he should upgrade his processor to that $10 dollar 1GHz one that was suggested in that other thread, I did something similar to this PC and it really helped. His PC might be a little more powerful than a Xbox if he can get the processor and at least a Sparkle 8500GT card. That would be my goal then if I were him, is Xbox era games and before as realistically this is all he should expect with a machine from 1999.

Happy PCI gaming to all, and even if I can get my PCI-e 2.0 slot mobo soon, I still don't think all PCI cards should be burned in a big bonfire! :haha:

 

[Tha General]

I haven't really made a decision on upgrading my CPU-Speed to something higher, but there is a 99% chance i will not do it. I am buying my secondary computer soon, a gateway computer duo core 2, with a 4670 card.

With this rig, i keep it with PCI cards, my next card to buy and test is the 8500GT or as i said i may be able to buy the 8600GT, but i will not go into any details right now. I will brag about it, if i get it lol. I will find out mid early Oct, before the 20th.

That HIS X1550 looks good, it has a higher core and memory clock and bandwidth then 2400 Cards, i will buy that one if the 8500GT doesn't work out or if i can't find the 8600GT or 8500Gt albatron.

I am kinda worry about buying the Sparkle 8500GT, because the card looks the same size as the PNY 8400GS and if that is the case, it will not fit good in my computer. I had trouble putting in the 8400GS, its too big for my small tower. My Visiontek 2400 and other pci cards which i have use slides in easy. The Ablbatron cards looks to be the same size as the Visiontek2400, which is great.

 

[teklord]

$ 10 dollars for a significant CPU upgrade seems worth it to me, even if only for short term use.

I'm sort of stuck myself because mobo swap will be costly to upgrade to PCI-e 2.0 slot because of everything I have to replace. That was the reason I got the 8500GT in the first place, but the performance of PCI cards in comparison to the other slots is utterly deplorable hence everyone but the people in this thread absolutely rejecting them.

You will like the 8500GT, just be realistic about what you can run well on your rig.

 

[direwolf007]

Hey, Tha General, what socket is your motherboard ?

I have a spare 1.1Ghz Pentium III (100x11 mult.) on the socket 370 I really don't need. I could just mail it to you instead of it collecting dust.

On another note, my main rig now has the Sapphire Radeon HD4870X2 2GB GDDR5. w00t.

 

[teklord]

Hey, Tha General, what socket is your motherboard ?

I have a spare 1.1Ghz Pentium III (100x11 mult.) on the socket 370 I really don't need. I could just mail it to you instead of it collecting dust.

On another note, my main rig now has the Sapphire Radeon HD4870X2 2GB GDDR5. w00t.

I'd take direwolf007 up on his offer General, just make sure to apply thermal paste after you put in the new processor and Google "replacing CPU" to make sure you do it right. It is really tricky applying thermal paste precisely correct as you have to put the cooler straight down on the CPU after applying and not let it move at all while locking it down.

Congrats on the HD4870x2 direwolf, you should be set to own any game for years to come.

 

[tweeds1]

im getting a good used computer in a couple weeks and i noticed it didnt have a avg slot sux being i was gonna put my radeon 9550 in it but how do i know the difference between pci and pci-e

 

[teklord]

im getting a good used computer in a couple weeks and i noticed it didnt have a avg slot sux being i was gonna put my radeon 9550 in it but how do i know the difference between pci and pci-e

This should help:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peripheral_Component_Interconnect

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PCI_Express


PCI Express is vastly superior, I'm stuck with PCI for now hence my interest in this thread. No one should intentionally choose PCI over PCI-e. Even AGP is far better than PCI

 

[tweeds1]

thanks for the link.ya i wish they made an adapter for a avg card to go into then into the pci slot but i guess that would just defeat the purpose.

 

[teklord]

It's called an ATOP, Google search it. You may be able to find one AGP to PCI-e only I believe

That AGP card of yours is fairly antiquated, I recommend the HD 3850 for AGP. Plenty of them over at Newegg.com

PCI-e, Zotac 8800GT OC is the best value IMO in PCI-e, $119.00 for one of them

 

[Tha General]

I have no plans to upgrade this rig to a higher speed, i have plans to get a secondary computer as a said so no big deal.

old photo, but some might enjoy it.

 

[tweeds1]

thanks teklord but i belive it may be pci and not pcie but ill know in a couple of weeks but that would be great if i could get a adapter

 

[Tha General]

Has anyone heard about this:
http://downloads.guru3d.com/download.php?det=951

PCI Latency Tool

 

[electromagnetic]

Is this normal PCI or PCI express slot. It looks funny, but on box it says just pci, crazy or what.

http://www.shopwiki.co.uk/search/Inno3D+6200+256Mb+PCI+graphics+card there's others found this site for graphic cards.

http://www.maplin.co.uk/Module.aspx?ModuleNo=224696

 

[electromagnetic]

This is my card now they are selling it on Dell UK, I told the dell techs about this working in my PC.

How is it here ?

http://accessories.euro.dell.com/sna/productdetail.aspx?c=uk&l=en&s=dhs&cs=ukdhs1&sku=A1662652

 

[Tha General]

Is this normal PCI or PCI express slot. It looks funny, but on box it says just pci, crazy or what!
http://www.maplin.co.uk/images/full/a40hx.jpg[/IMG]

Seems to be a AGP card. That is one nice looking box

This is my card now they are selling it on Dell UK, I told the dell techs about this working in my PC.

How is it here ?

http://accessories.euro.dell.com/sna/productdetail.aspx?c=uk&l=en&s=dhs&cs=ukdhs1&sku=A1662652

Cool. What GPU are you buying next for PCI?

 

[nickc]

electromagnetic, both of those sites u posted say it is a pci and the pic is not an AGP so I am going to say it is PCI.

 

[Tha General]

Nope, go over to their site. a PCI 6200 Inno3d was never made, they only have AGP and PCIE versions. Plus look at the bus, its a AGP slot card.

Take a look at this
http://www.bestbuy.com/site/olspage.jsp?skuId=8968067&type=product&id=1217029964768

Bestbuy is about to start selling the 8400GS LOL. for 129 dollars hahahaahaha. The card only cost 79 dollars over at staples. plus the card is too big and alot of people took the card back over at newegg and staples, because its not really a low profile card.

I had the PNY 8400GS and its pretty good if have a good CPU and a large Tower. But the card is not worth 130 dollars, the card is worth 49 bucks.

 

[jives11]

Has anyone heard about this:
http://downloads.guru3d.com/download.php?det=951

PCI Latency Tool

Yes - I have played around with this (see my blog in the footer of this post). It's not as useful as you'd think, as most nVidia cards already set their IRQ latency very high. It's more used by people with sound card problems where they have stutter caused by the sound card never getting an adequate 'slice' of the CPU because the GPU has grabbed it all. It's very easy to play around with, so worth a try

 

[Tha General]

Hey jives, nice blog i am reading over it now. I have a question, is the sparkle8500GT made for smaller towers?

I bought the 8400GS and i had to take it back,because i might of damage my onboard sound when i was using it, and other people who bought it complain about it being to be big. Its not really a low profile card like Pny said. I manage to put the card in, but i have a hard time doing it. I recently took it back couple weeks ago, just was curous about the 8500GT.

Because i might have to look into getting buying and testing the X1550 or the Albatron 8500 or 8600gt cards instead of the sparkle 8500GT

 

[jives11]

Hey jives, nice blog i am reading over it now. I have a question, is the sparkle8500GT made for smaller towers?

It's a full depth card, like the 6200 card a few posts before this one. Some cards have a full size PCI backplate but a half width card, and a ribbon cable to a second connector (VGA) or S-video os something. The 8500 runs the full depth of the back plate.

Why is your PC half-height ? If so the 8500 will not fit, but I'd guess few other cards would either ?

It's also wide and takes up 2 PCI slots because the heatsink is so big

 

[Tha General]

Well my motherboard is a Intel 810 and my tower is kinda small, in a way. Every PCI card which i use fit perfect, but the 8400GS pci card was the only one which had trouble, i manage to fit the card, but i had trouble , so that was a bad sign right there.
This is the photo of the 8400GS PCI

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=14-133-245

Can you tell how much different in size is the 8400GS compared to the FX5500 and BFG 6200? Both 6200 and FX5500 fits perfect, but they do look the same size, but the 8400GS seems to be bigger i guess.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814143110
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814143032

So if the 8500GT is just as big as the 8400GS, i think i will pass on buying it.

 

[jives11]

Well my motherboard is a Intel 810 and my tower is kinda small, in a way. Every PCI card which i use fit perfect, but the 8400GS pci card was the only one which had trouble, i manage to fit the card, but i had trouble , so that was a bad sign right there.
This is the photo of the 8400GS PCI

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=14-133-245

Can you tell how much different in size is the 8400GS compared to the FX5500 and BFG 6200? Both 6200 and FX5500 fits perfect, but they do look the same size, but the 8400GS seems to be bigger i guess.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814143110
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814143032

So if the 8500GT is just as big as the 8400GS, i think i will pass on buying it.

Well there is a picture of the 8500GT here :
http://www.sparkle.com.tw/product_detail.asp?id=69&sub_id=160#

I guess we need some comon terminology about which dimension is which.

I think the 8500 is not as high (when in it's slot) I notice that the 8400 seems to protrude above the PCI back plate by a margin of what looks like 10mm or so, and I assume this is what caused you the problem i.e you couldn't close the case ? The 8500 does the same but by a smaller margin. How much space do you have from the top of the PCI backplate to the side of the case ?

The length of the card is the same but the 8500 is fatter as the heatsink is huge

 

[Tha General]

No, my tower is not that small, i can closed the case. Putting in the card is a different story, the front part , i guess the long plate was too long or something and when i was trying to put the card in, it wouldn't go in, something was too long, my guess the plate, i had to force it kinda in, it just seem too big in height from what i can see.

 

[jives11]

No, my tower is not that small, i can closed the case. Putting in the card is a different story, the front part , i guess the long plate was too long or something and when i was trying to put the card in, it wouldn't go in, something was too long, my guess the plate, i had to force it kinda in, it just seem too big in height from what i can see.

Hmmm, I'd suspect the plate wasn't seated quite correctly. Nomally the tag part on the lower end has to engage in a slot formed between the MOB and the back of the case. Sometimes cases and mobo's don't line up quite right. I guess you mean that you push in the card but the end of the plate which you screw down, was still a bit too far above the rim of the case.

 

[teklord]

You might try modding that card by removing the original heat sink and placing something smaller on the card so it will go in your PC. And, I recommend taking up someone on their offer to send you a free PIII as I see lots of people offering on the many sites General posts to.