So you only have PCI slots and want to game?

[Tha General]

Just a small update:

I tried everything that i can think of, new drivers, old drivers, upgrade from home edition to pro edition which i am using now btw, uninstall ide drivers, disable sound, turn off agp acceleration, went into my bios and turn on and off stuff, etc , still the same bs, the 8400gs is running some games good, others amazing and the games which seems demanding are the ones which run like trash, like SOF3, Crysis , Crysis Warhead, Bioshock, COD4

Now i did see a " small increase in performance " using the 168.24 or 171.17 drivers , but still runs like trash.

So, i am not sure what the problem is. The 2400HD can run those games just fine In xp just fine, but runs those games in Vista poorly. Now in Vista, the 8400gs did run games much better, even tho games above " expect for SOF3 ", but in XP the 8400gs is running poorly.
So my only guess that i can think of, the 8400gs only runs good with older rigs, not in newer rigs like this one. Because the 8400gs ran games way better when i had my Celeron D.
Oh well, guess i will use it until i buy some new cards, this time PCIE.

 

[LinkedKube]

If you have Aero available in vista turn it off, it uses your gpu. Another thing that you need to consider is that vista enables dx10, xp doesnt have dx10. I'm pretty sure that is what's taxing your card in vista dx10 is more graphics dependent than dx9 was/is.

 

[Tha General]

If you have Aero available in vista turn it off, it uses your gpu. Another thing that you need to consider is that vista enables dx10, xp doesnt have dx10. I'm pretty sure that is what's taxing your card in vista dx10 is more graphics dependent than dx9 was/is.

I'm not using Vista 32bit anymore. I am using XP pro edition. The only time when the 8400gs was running decent/ok on this rig is when i was using Vista 32bit, and only with the 175.16 drivers, anything higher and i got a bottleneck. Now that i am using XP pro, well the 8400gs is running poorly " but only with certain demanding games ".

I have been using prebuilts all my life, i guess thats the flaw in using them, which is why when i had my p3 i always founds ways to get around it and improve performance . When i had my Celeron D for a short time, i never had any problems using the 8400gs.

But i am saying, this page right here tells me something:
http://www.fudzilla.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=10222&Itemid=1

I think thats why the 8400gs never really performs good in high end games or slightly demanding games. Now back to the subject about using Vista 32bit and the 8400gs, well i didn't have to install Nforce drivers, because Vista has its own drivers, thats why the 8400gs perform better then it does in XP, because XP depends on using them. I could be wrong about all of this, but i think i narrow down the problem lol.

Its all good tho, i am moving on to pcie, so i am just going to enjoy what i have for the moment. I can play alot of games just fine tho, just those demanding games runs like crap.

 

[LinkedKube]

Vista has hardware detection, the drivers you download manually ARE the drivers vista installs. Its because vista enable dx10 on the card. Anyone will tell you or you can just google it, vista is more taxing than xp, this being the reason why your performance decreases in the switch.

 

[Tha General]

No no, i am not sure you are reading correctly, I am using XP now, the 8400gs is performing poorly compared to when i was using Vista. Meaning the 8400gs card runs better in Vista then XP.

 

[Tha General]

Now this is interesting, i just tested bioshock, using the latest drivers and the game runs very smooth but at low fps, meaning with the 2400hd if i play at 1280x1024 or 1024x768 at max settings i get around 12-18fps, but you can tell that it struggles through moving in the level, but with the 8400gs it doesn't seem to slow down at all and neither does it struggle, but the fps are lower , but it moves smoother, and faster, thats weird.

 

[red1776]

ummm yeah general....it works for you and you only at low frame rates .....say hi to Stephen hawking and Nikola Tesla for me.
BTW, im with YUK.....and the count is five

 

[Tha General]

No hold up, i know that sounds weird, believe me lol, but look at this video of me recording at 1280x1024 at max settings with the 2400HD:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-QeFILHBMa0

Now give me a few mins, i am uploading a video of me playing with the 8400gs, and see for yourself that the 8400gs is running the game smoother at low frame rates lol at the same settings. Slightly faster anyway, not extreme faster, but faster overall, and keep in mind, i am recording at 1280x1024 max settings, so it does lag just a bit.

 

[red1776]

ummmm that was a slide show general

 

[Tha General]

ummmm that was a slide show general

Um whoever said it was running at 50 frames? i didn't haha. I was just showing you , but anyways, now take a look at this video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AflDFfhZH-k

Thats with the 8400gs, slightly faster as you can tell, same settings, but i get lower frames, but its running faster read without fraps and with fraps over the 2400hd.
But anyways, not bad for a PCI card huh lol.

peace

 

[red1776]

that was a slideshow as well...peace

 

[PCIGamer]

Um whoever said it was running at 50 frames? i didn't haha. I was just showing you , but anyways, now take a look at this video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AflDFfhZH-k

Thats with the 8400gs, slightly faster as you can tell, same settings, but i get lower frames, but its running faster read without fraps and with fraps over the 2400hd.
But anyways, not bad for a PCI card huh lol.

peace

They both run horribly as expected. Both are slideshows.

jesus, just buy a PCI-E card already.

 

[electromagnetic]

Bioshock even is a bad game,

http://www.gamegrep.com/news/14879-bioshock_to_receive_patch_to_fix_graphical_glitches/

http://www.tweakguides.com/Bioshock_7.html

http://forums.2kgames.com/forums/showthread.php?t=31984 Read this.

Why do you say that it is a bad computer with PCI slots for gaming. Not even a patch for games on run on lower spec machines.

Even Laptops with better cards have trouble with games, but you fan boys of gaming companies that sell rushed releases say it's the hardware not the software causing the errors.

 

[Rage_3K_Moiz]

Laptops are usually marketed in a way that makes it seem that they are not powerful enough for new games. The 9600M GT is a prime example, actually being the equivalent of the desktop 9500GT. Same is the case with the GTX 280M, which is really a mobile version of the 9800GTX!

As for stuttering, it is usually caused by sound or video driver issues.

And read your first link, it details a PS3 patch for BioShock; not related to the PC version in any way.

As for your last comment, why would a developer bother to accomodate people who game on a PCI card? It makes more sense to support hardware that a typical gamer who plays games like BioShock has, due to the fact that there are far more such people than PCI gamers (if they can be called that).

 

[electromagnetic]

So you lose business by reducing your fan base to rich kids only, no wonder developers are losing there companies.

 

[Yukikaze]

So you lose business by reducing your fan base to rich kids only, no wonder developers are losing there companies.

Good developers aren't. And you don't need to be a rich kid to play games, just not a very poor one. My buddy played quite a few games quite fine on an E1200, 2Gb of 667Mhz RAM, a 200 gig HDD, and an HD2600XT, all parts bought 2nd hand. My laptop (XPS M1530) games about the same. It isn't full eyecandy, but it does run games respectably.

There is zero need to cater to the PCI "gamer" market, because such a market does not exist.

 

[Rage_3K_Moiz]

So you lose business by reducing your fan base to rich kids only, no wonder developers are losing there companies.

That sort of thinking is probably what drives *****s like Tha General to spend $1200 on PCI cards. Who's the "rich kid" here then?

And the vast majority of people who game on PCs spend enough money on them so they can play the games they want. The ones who don't want to build a PC buy consoles.

The infinitesimal portion of people that are left, constitute the legendary PCI gaming community, with Tha General being their equivalent of his namesake.

 

[Yukikaze]

The infinitesimal portion of people that are left, constitute the legendary PCI gaming community, with Tha General being their equivalent of his namesake.

QFT.

 

[Tha General]

PCI cards, PCIE cards, building rigs, buying prebuilts, whatever the case or route, people should buy whatever they like, and nobody should complain about.

Now about pci cards, i haven't fully decided on what i am going to do about it. I mean back in my mind when i get my quad core, i plan to move on to pcie, but in my gut i want to stick with PCI. I am moving on to pcie with my dual core when i get it , to replace this single core, even tho i am going to use pcie very soon with this rig until i get my dual core.

But as for the quad core, i am not 100% i am ready to move away from pci, and most likely, i won't. I just love pci cards haha. But i do plan to keep it cheap, no more 100 dollar pci cards, i know where to get them for 50 or 60 bucks.

 

[PnKStRKiD]

hello,

i need some help figuring out the best video card for my pc.

• One (1) AGP slot open for expansion

• Two (2) PCI slots open for expansion

those are my open slots. I want to upgrade my graphics card which is:

Integrated NVIDIA® GeForce2™ Graphics with 32MB shared system memory

• 64-bit hardware-accelerated 3D graphics

• Compaq DVD Player/Navigator

• Video Player (AVI, MPEG2 and others)

• Maximum non-interlaced resolution of up to 2048 x 1536 @ 75Hz (when supported by monitor)

what would you recommend i should get? I'm pretty much on a tight budget i mean i can look around to find a cheap price but looking for something with good performance. i like to play counter strike and get about 30fps right now but would like to get more. if you could help me out that would be very much appreciated.

here is the site with the specs to my pc. http://h10025.www1.hp.com/ewfrf/wc/...561&cc=us&dlc=en&lc=en&jumpid=reg_R1002_USEN#

it's mostly the same i just upgraded ram to 756mb and the cd burner to a dvd dual layer burner.

thank you.

 

[red1776]

Hi PnKStRKiD,
If you can afford this, i would recommend the agp ati 3850:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814102730

 

[PCIGamer]

PCI cards, PCIE cards, building rigs, buying prebuilts, whatever the case or route, people should buy whatever they like, and nobody should complain about.

Great, I agree. Enjoy your gaming on your rig in 2009 and beyond.

Now about pci cards, i haven't fully decided on what i am going to do about it. I mean back in my mind when i get my quad core, i plan to move on to pcie, but in my gut i want to stick with PCI. I am moving on to pcie with my dual core when i get it , to replace this single core, even tho i am going to use pcie very soon with this rig until i get my dual core.

Cut the BS, you probably dont even own a PCI-e capable computer. You lie about most other things. Like that 8500gt you had for 2 days. Most people that acquire "new tech" (PCI-E) jump out and take advantage of it.

You love Best Buy so much, you can go there right now and buy an 9500gt PCI-E from there for $100. You wouldnt even need a PSU upgrade. But you chose to live in the past attempting to play games on a severely underpowered computer with a bottlenecked bus. Why would you do this? Because i don't believe a word you say about anything.

But as for the quad core, i am not 100% i am ready to move away from pci, and most likely, i won't. I just love pci cards haha. But i do plan to keep it cheap, no more 100 dollar pci cards, i know where to get them for 50 or 60 bucks.

Are we supposed to be impressed you can get them for 50-60 bucks? No one cares

 

[Tha General]

Great, I agree. Enjoy your gaming on your rig in 2009 and beyond.

Yep.

Cut the BS, you probably dont even own a PCI-e capable computer.

I guess you aren't aware that i have a new computer.
http://www.emachines.com/products/products.html?prod=ET1161-05
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16883114066



Anything else you wanna know just ask lol.

You lie about most other things. Like that 8500gt you had for 2 days.

I did have a 8500gt for a short amount of time, but it wasn't my card, so i had to give iit back. The store owner that i have known for a long time, let me use it, what am i suppose to be lying about?

Most people that acquire "new tech" (PCI-E) jump out and take advantage of it.

See, you just said it, " most people ", i am not most people. I really don't care about new technology like other people. Its nice at times, but i am not striving for it.

You love Best Buy so much, you can go there right now and buy an 9500gt PCI-E from there for $100.

9500GT PCIE? no
PCI version, yes i will most likely. I really have no idea on what i am going to do, deep down i really just want to stick with pci lol. Just have to wait and see how things go in the next couple of weeks.

peace

 

[PCIGamer]

Yep.


I guess you aren't aware that i have a new computer.
http://www.emachines.com/products/products.html?prod=ET1161-05
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16883114066



Anything else you wanna know just ask lol.


I did have a 8500gt for a short amount of time, but it wasn't my card, so i had to give iit back. The store owner that i have known for a long time, let me use it, what am i suppose to be lying about?


See, you just said it, " most people ", i am not most people. I really don't care about new technology like other people. Its nice at times, but i am not striving for it.



9500GT PCIE? no
PCI version, yes i will most likely. I really have no idea on what i am going to do, deep down i really just want to stick with pci lol. Just have to wait and see how things go in the next couple of weeks.

peace

PCI-E is not new technology. It is a standard that has been around for years now.

Yes i was aware of that, which is why i am puzzled as to why you wont get a PCI-E card. Jesus even a PCI-E 9400gt will run rings around what you have. On an old P4, i recently put in a 7600gs that i bought for $20 and it runs great for what it is.

You chose to live in the dark ages then post threads wondering why your performance sucks so bad then blame it on the card/drivers and not the fact that your performance is severly bottlenecked using a PCI bus/card.

By the way, what ever happened to that screenshot you had of your Windows Performance Index being a 1.0?
:haha:
*waits for the inevitable screenshot/youtube videos as the response*

 

[Tha General]

PCI-E is not new technology. It is a standard that has been around for years now.

Maybe so, but i just was never really interested in it.

Yes i was aware of that, which is why i am puzzled as to why you wont get a PCI-E card.

Because pci cards get the job done, just fine and + more.

You chose to live in the dark ages

Dark ages?
There is no wrong with buying things that you or other people don't want to buy. I am sure there are things that you do or buy, which i am not into it, so whats the problem here? I still listen to music with cassette tapes( mostly because all my favorite music is on cassette tapes ) and i still use VCR's and watch various movies on VHS. Most of my console games are hook up to a 1989 tv set, 13inch i believe and i have no problems playing games on it. Lets see, i play sega saturn and 3do more then any of my other consoles.

There is nothing wrong with old hardware, and all because other people have move on, doesn't mean i have to in some sense.

Then post threads wondering why your performance sucks so bad then blame it on the card/drivers and not the fact that your performance is severly bottlenecked using a PCI bus/card.

Well actually everytime i had a problem with performance in the past , i always found a way around it. To what is going on now, its obvious, its because my setup is setup wrong and the 8400gs is being bottleneck because of it. What have i learn? Never buy any computer that comes with a stupid ATI mb or Nvidia board. Intel mb is superior over them.

By the way, what ever happened to that screenshot you had of your Windows Performance Index being a 1.0?
:haha:
*waits for the inevitable screenshot/youtube videos as the response*

I am not using Vista anymore, and i did a fresh install of Winxp, so i don't have that screenshot anymore. And i only got a 1.0 score because when i was using Vista 32bit, and my 2400hd, i was using Windows XP cataylst drivers instead of vista cataylst drivers, so the score was read incorrectly.