There were zero exports of vital tech materials gallium and germanium from China last...

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In brief: China's exports of germanium and gallium products fell to zero during August following the country's introduction of export controls on the materials. However, Beijing said that some companies had been granted export licenses for the metals, which are vital parts of the tech industry.

In July, the China Ministry of Commerce announced that as of August 1, the exporters of gallium and germanium, as well as their chemical compounds, would need to apply for licenses from the commerce ministry if they want to start or continue shipping them out of the country.

While the agency claimed the move was to "safeguard national security and interests," it's believed that the export controls were a tit-for-tat retaliation for the US continuously tightening export restrictions on AI chips to China.

China is the world's largest producer of gallium and germanium, producing around 94% of the world's supply of the former metal and 83% of the latter, thanks to its cheaper production costs. While they aren't rare or hard to find, China sells them cheaply and they can be expensive to mine.

Reuters reports that China exported 36.48 metric tons of germanium in the first eight months of 2023, while gallium exports were at 22.72 tons for the same period. Exports ramped up in July – 8.63 tons of germanium, and 5.15 tons of gallium – ahead of the restrictions being introduced. China didn't sell any of the elements on international markets during August.

However, it seems China is willing to allow some export of the metals. He Yadong, a spokesperson from China's commerce ministry, told a press briefing that several companies had applied for licenses in the middle of August to export gallium and germanium. The licenses are required for items and technologies that are dual-use, meaning they have potential military and civilian applications.

Some of the export license applications have been approved, while more are still being reviewed.

It's noted that China may be shooting itself in the foot by introducing the restrictions. There are alternative global sources, and the price for gallium in China has fallen 20% since July due to increased inventory pile-up. It comes as China struggles with weak domestic demand, a housing crisis, and the biggest drop in exports in more than three years.

Germanium is used in a wide range of products such as fiber-optic communications, night-vision goggles, space exploration satellites, solar panels, LCD monitor backlighting, and many other items. Similarly, gallium is an important part of the semiconductor industry and is used in wireless communications, phones, LEDs, and more.

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It's time for the US to start playing hard ball with China, particularly when it comes to imports and exports. Frankly, it's the only way to get the Chinese to cooperate.
 
It's time for the US to start playing hard ball with China, particularly when it comes to imports and exports. Frankly, it's the only way to get the Chinese to cooperate.

Sounds good on paper. But the last and current US administration have been literally embargoing China and China is retaliating.

And now they find out they really need China's materials!

Did they even think about China's "vital tech materials" before trying to look tough?? Nah, they always do but after the fact.
 
It's time for the US to start playing hard ball with China, particularly when it comes to imports and exports. Frankly, it's the only way to get the Chinese to cooperate.

you want to make things way way way worse? .. ok .. they can stop shipping cpu-grade silicon and we stop making cpu/gpus in the US completely in 30 days or less.

Or they can ask putin to stop shipping NEON used in wafer and cpu/gpu production ... again ... we stop making cpu/gpus in the US completely in 30 days or less.

We can build all the fabs we want. we need neon, cpu-grade silicon, gallium etc ... all from china. so while we ''embargo/sanction'' them .. in the back room were still buying all their resources that NON-ONE else can supply for the next 2-3 years.

Google > mining-and-refining-pure-silicon-and-the-incredible-effort-it-takes-to-get-there

Google > silicon production by country statista

lastly Russia and the Ukrain produce most all of the Neon used in wafer processing .. if THEY stop exports again, we lose world wide production until someone else can produce the 80% of the world neon supply

Google > low-on-gas-ukraine-invasion-chokes-supply-of-neon-needed-for-chipmaking

If they team up. game over. No US based production of cpu/gpu will occur as domestic production is impossibly short on production and the current production in other countries cannot even supply JUST the US, let alone the entire market needs.
 
These metals aren't just in China... but they are willing to mine them, cheaply; because they have cheap and even free labor. Most other countries don't allow those practices. No doubt that the north America's and plenty of Europe have these metals, they just have to find them.
 
It is a very good think, which will make us and eu actually starting mining those metals and diversify suppliers. More local jobs, less dependency on crazy authoritarian regime, better control on supply chains.
 
It's time for the US to start playing hard ball with China, particularly when it comes to imports and exports. Frankly, it's the only way to get the Chinese to cooperate.
"cooperate"... do you mean, force, coerce, do what they say and want?
really?
wtf do you think they are?
and I don't know if you have noticed that fewer and fewer countries on the planet are "cooperating" with Uncle Sam, at least in his terms.
 
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It is a very good think, which will make us and eu actually starting mining those metals and diversify suppliers. More local jobs, less dependency on crazy authoritarian regime, better control on supply chains.
The most common sense comment, the world cannot just depend on china. Especially with xi at the helm.
 
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