China may have reverse-engineered an EUV machine, a big step toward chip self-sufficiency

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What we know so far: Inside a tightly guarded research complex in Shenzhen, Chinese scientists have quietly built and begun testing a prototype of what could become the world's most complex chipmaking machine – one capable of producing advanced semiconductors that the US has spent years trying to keep out of China's reach.

People familiar with the project told Reuters that the machine was completed in early 2025 and occupies nearly an entire factory floor. The team behind the effort reportedly includes several former engineers from the Dutch semiconductor company ASML, who reverse-engineered elements of the firm's extreme ultraviolet lithography (EUV) systems.

China's prototype, the people said, is already operational and capable of generating EUV light. While it has yet to produce functioning chips, its mere existence marks a significant leap in Beijing's push for technological self-sufficiency. ASML chief executive Christophe Fouquet said earlier this year that China would need "many, many years" to reach this stage. Shenzhen's breakthrough now suggests that the gap may be narrowing far faster than expected.

The project is part of a six-year national initiative overseen by the Communist Party's Central Science and Technology Commission and led by Ding Xuexiang, a close ally of President Xi Jinping. Within this strategy, Huawei has assumed a coordinating role, linking state-run research institutes with private-sector partners in what several people involved described as a "Manhattan Project" for semiconductors.

The goal, one source said, is to build machines capable of producing advanced chips using only domestic technology, and to eliminate reliance on US-controlled supply chains.

Beijing has set an official target of 2028 to produce working chips on the prototype. However, sources close to the project believe 2030 is a more realistic timeline. The Shenzhen laboratory and its technical details remain classified, and Chinese ministries and Huawei did not respond to requests for comment.

Until now, only US allies in Taiwan, Japan, and South Korea have been permitted to purchase ASML's EUV equipment. Beginning in 2018, Washington pressured the Netherlands to block sales to China. Those restrictions tightened further under the Biden administration in 2022, when sweeping export controls aimed to cut off China's access to advanced semiconductor tools, including ASML's deep ultraviolet (DUV) systems used to manufacture less advanced chips. According to the Dutch Ministry of Defence, new policies now require universities and research institutions to screen foreign personnel for potential risks related to sensitive technologies.

Despite these constraints, China has managed to assemble its own EUV system. Engineers sourced older ASML components through secondary markets and dismantled them for integration into the domestic prototype. Sources said the government-backed effort also draws on parts recovered from used ASML, Nikon, and Canon lithography tools – often purchased at auctions in China via platforms such as Alibaba Auction.

Replicating the optical precision of Western systems remains a significant challenge. ASML's EUV machines rely on mirrors produced by Carl Zeiss, which take months to fabricate and align. China's research institutes, led by the Changchun Institute of Optics, Fine Mechanics and Physics under the Chinese Academy of Sciences, have been developing domestic alternatives.

According to one source, the institute achieved a key milestone in early 2025 by successfully integrating extreme ultraviolet light into a functional optical system, though it still lags several steps behind Zeiss in terms of accuracy and consistency.

Technical hurdles remain formidable. EUV machines operate by firing high-powered lasers at droplets of molten tin up to 50,000 times per second, generating plasma that reaches 200,000 degrees Celsius. The extreme ultraviolet light produced is then reflected through multiple precision mirrors before striking the silicon wafer.

The engineering team behind the Shenzhen project operates under heavy secrecy. According to sources, Chinese-born former ASML staff members were recruited under aliases and issued identification cards with false names. Inside the facility, they were instructed not to reveal their identities, even to colleagues.

One recruit, a veteran ASML engineer, reportedly recognized other former co-workers who were also using assumed names. The effort was classified as a national security project, with workers told that no one outside the facility could know what was being built.

Since 2019, China has run aggressive recruitment campaigns targeting semiconductor specialists overseas. Policy documents reviewed by Reuters indicate signing bonuses ranging from 3 to 5 million yuan (up to $700,000), along with housing subsidies for returning engineers. Among those recruited was Lin Nan, ASML's former head of light source technology, whose Shanghai-based research team has filed eight patents on EUV light sources in just 18 months.

ASML has long struggled to protect its intellectual property. In 2019, the company won an $845 million judgment against a former engineer in a trade secret case, though enforcement proved difficult when the defendant declared bankruptcy and later resumed operations in Beijing with state support.

Inside the Shenzhen laboratory, the prototype is far larger and heavier than ASML's 180-ton EUV system – an intentional design choice to improve light output, according to sources. Approximately 100 young Chinese engineers are assigned to reverse-engineer components from both EUV and DUV machines.

Cameras monitor their workstations to record disassembly and reassembly, and employees reportedly receive performance bonuses for successfully reproducing parts.

Huawei's involvement spans the project's entire supply chain, from R&D to manufacturing integration. Its employees are stationed at fabrication sites nationwide, with some reportedly living on-site during the workweek and having limited phone access. Even within Huawei, few staff members reportedly understand the full scope of the operations.

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It was only a matter of time. The CCP cares little about US government policy and them openly saying they don't want US chips kinda sealed any doubt for me.
 
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I hope they do. The monopolistic behaviour and price gouging need to end.
If they do, my guess would be is that they won't want anything but their own and will completely block off any other companies from outside of China from selling to them. They may also outright stop outsourcing rare earth minerals to anyone else and just use them for their own needs.

Would that hinder/hurt how things are now or would it improve things?
 
Normally I am against China shenanigans, but they might just prove to be everyone saviour this time.

Maybe that's why other players are greedy Aholes lately, because they know their days are numbered.
 
If they do, my guess would be is that they won't want anything but their own and will completely block off any other companies from outside of China from selling to them. They may also outright stop outsourcing rare earth minerals to anyone else and just use them for their own needs.

Would that hinder/hurt how things are now or would it improve things?
Why would they do that? Whilst I deplore Chinas human rights behaviour and sabre rattling etc etc they/Xi are not stupid (unlike Russia/Putin) and so would want to profit from this. Competing against western companies in markets such as DDR5/HBM/GPU/NPU etc etc is exactly what they want. Basically a state-sponsored TSMC. I can totally understand why too. Having your own supply capabilities for silicon wafers has become a very important national resource in the modern age, but they would not want it solely for state purposes they would want to reap the huge commercial benefits too.
 
If they do, my guess would be is that they won't want anything but their own and will completely block off any other companies from outside of China from selling to them. They may also outright stop outsourcing rare earth minerals to anyone else and just use them for their own needs.

Would that hinder/hurt how things are now or would it improve things?
The world is full of rare earth materials - it's just reluctance to destroy local environments that stops them from extracting them.
 
They have been playing the long game; thus the multi-years and billions invested in rare earth minerals. The US has become just short term strategists: grab all you can as fast as you can for your CEOs, stock owners, etc. I remember in the 90's there were 10 and 20 year plans... where are they today?

Reverse engineering? Every technology-driven nation does it. It's just a matter of time. As far as control goes (exports and imports), I still like Leia's answer to Vader in the first movie.
And if the US Totally Blocks all imports of Chinese-made goods, that just leaves China, um, ah, the rest of the world?
 
More like STOLEN tech! AMSL needs to tighten their hiring processes. It's obvious ASML Chinese ex-employees have no problem with giving the CCP everything they need. They were likely sent there as plants to perform espionage from the beginning. Hard to believe we have folks here cheering China!
 
Western arrogance is simply breathtaking. They accuse China of stealing secrets, but that's what the West did after WW2. They auctioned off over 300,000 top German patents to western corporations for literally pennies. It was the greatest intellectual theft of all time. Much of the highly touted American technical creativity after WW2 was really due to recycled German patents. Access to German technology was of course a major reason why the West started WW2 against Germany. It was the creme-de-la-creme prize.

ASML is just one Western corporation. Whereas China is putting their entire nation behind developing EUV. I predict that ASML will soon go the way of Cherry. Into technical obscurity.
 
China may have exceeded the speed of light in the future, which allowed them to jump back and forth in time and steal everything they want.

Why did you post this preposterous nonsense?
 
Western arrogance is simply breathtaking. They accuse China of stealing secrets, but that's what the West did after WW2. They auctioned off over 300,000 top German patents to western corporations for literally pennies. It was the greatest intellectual theft of all time. Much of the highly touted American technical creativity after WW2 was really due to recycled German patents. Access to German technology was of course a major reason why the West started WW2 against Germany. It was the creme-de-la-creme prize.

ASML is just one Western corporation. Whereas China is putting their entire nation behind developing EUV. I predict that ASML will soon go the way of Cherry. Into technical obscurity.
You've been playing a bit too much War Thunder or "secrets of WWII".
 
Western arrogance is simply breathtaking. They accuse China of stealing secrets, but that's what the West did after WW2. They auctioned off over 300,000 top German patents to western corporations for literally pennies. It was the greatest intellectual theft of all time. Much of the highly touted American technical creativity after WW2 was really due to recycled German patents. Access to German technology was of course a major reason why the West started WW2 against Germany. It was the creme-de-la-creme prize.

ASML is just one Western corporation. Whereas China is putting their entire nation behind developing EUV. I predict that ASML will soon go the way of Cherry. Into technical obscurity.

Defeating an enemy in war and taking the spoils is not exactly an apples to apples with just casually stealing intellectual property on any given day of the year. Predicting ASML will go away has equal odds to the sun going out next week. May you enjoy the Chinese new year as there is zero other explanation as to how you have come to live in such separation from reality.
 
Western arrogance is simply breathtaking. They accuse China of stealing secrets, but that's what the West did after WW2. They auctioned off over 300,000 top German patents to western corporations for literally pennies. It was the greatest intellectual theft of all time. Much of the highly touted American technical creativity after WW2 was really due to recycled German patents. Access to German technology was of course a major reason why the West started WW2 against Germany. It was the creme-de-la-creme prize.

ASML is just one Western corporation. Whereas China is putting their entire nation behind developing EUV. I predict that ASML will soon go the way of Cherry. Into technical obscurity.

TIL Germany is not "the west." Fascinating.
 
More like STOLEN tech! AMSL needs to tighten their hiring processes. It's obvious ASML Chinese ex-employees have no problem with giving the CCP everything they need. They were likely sent there as plants to perform espionage from the beginning. Hard to believe we have folks here cheering China!

I think this is unavoidable. I just thought about it myself. If I were a retired ASML, and someone offered me literally anything to build something I did while working at ASML, I would probably agree.

As for the folk cheering for China, that is truly sad. Not because China is our rival but because of how cruel CCP is. A good person should not like China, or USSR, or N. Korea. People need to have at least basic morals.
 
I feel western nations are aware that China is catching up quick, but they are just denying it to prevent panic or to give themselves a false sense of security. It’s been proven time and again that China keeps proving the naysayers wrong.
 
Why would they do that? Whilst I deplore Chinas human rights behaviour and sabre rattling etc etc they/Xi are not stupid (unlike Russia/Putin) and so would want to profit from this. Competing against western companies in markets such as DDR5/HBM/GPU/NPU etc etc is exactly what they want. Basically a state-sponsored TSMC. I can totally understand why too. Having your own supply capabilities for silicon wafers has become a very important national resource in the modern age, but they would not want it solely for state purposes they would want to reap the huge commercial benefits too.
Absolutely, just look at all the nations they've invaded in the past 100 years, compared with how many the peace loving Obomber droned in 8.
 
Western arrogance is simply breathtaking. They accuse China of stealing secrets, but that's what the West did after WW2. They auctioned off over 300,000 top German patents to western corporations for literally pennies. It was the greatest intellectual theft of all time. Much of the highly touted American technical creativity after WW2 was really due to recycled German patents. Access to German technology was of course a major reason why the West started WW2 against Germany. It was the creme-de-la-creme prize.

ASML is just one Western corporation. Whereas China is putting their entire nation behind developing EUV. I predict that ASML will soon go the way of Cherry. Into technical obscurity.


Very well said. And the fact that your detractors are only pedantic at best, just strengthens your point.
 
Western arrogance is simply breathtaking. They accuse China of stealing secrets, but that's what the West did after WW2. They auctioned off over 300,000 top German patents to western corporations for literally pennies. It was the greatest intellectual theft of all time. Much of the highly touted American technical creativity after WW2 was really due to recycled German patents. Access to German technology was of course a major reason why the West started WW2 against Germany. It was the creme-de-la-creme prize.

ASML is just one Western corporation. Whereas China is putting their entire nation behind developing EUV. I predict that ASML will soon go the way of Cherry. Into technical obscurity.
It's not arrogance, it's imperialism.
 
Western arrogance is simply breathtaking. They accuse China of stealing secrets, but that's what the West did after WW2. They auctioned off over 300,000 top German patents to western corporations for literally pennies. It was the greatest intellectual theft of all time. Much of the highly touted American technical creativity after WW2 was really due to recycled German patents. Access to German technology was of course a major reason why the West started WW2 against Germany. It was the creme-de-la-creme prize.

ASML is just one Western corporation. Whereas China is putting their entire nation behind developing EUV. I predict that ASML will soon go the way of Cherry. Into technical obscurity.
While I agree with most of what you say, the Americans only declared war after the Pearl Harbour attack, and this had nothing to do with access to German technology.
 
The world is full of rare earth materials - it's just reluctance to destroy local environments that stops them from extracting them.
I never said rare earth materials were just localized to China. It's just been better on the pocket book of companies that purchase these minerals from somewhere else, China in this instance, over the cost of mining, refining and maintaining everything themselves. China undercut everyone else and pretty much we allowed them to drive the competition right into the ground.

What you need are places to process them and right now, China is pretty much the only place that can. It'll take some years to build proper facilities to process rare earth minerals (from mining to refining) and if China were to just stop sharing what they have, the rest of the world will be SOL until they catch up with processing these materials on their own.
 
I mean yeah they steal everything. China has never recognized the concept of intellectual property. I would agree with that except it's entirely one-sided. Rules for thee but not for me.
 
While I agree with most of what you say, the Americans only declared war after the Pearl Harbour attack, and this had nothing to do with access to German technology.
The US provoked Japan over many years, including an oil embargo and attacking civilian vessels.
 
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