China says it will cut iPhone sales if Trump follows through on his trade war promise

[Bigtruckseries]

America's greatest ally is the fact it is separated from the rest of the world by Shark infested waters.

No one can simply "walk here" to fight us and travel by sea to here is extremely difficult/ hazardous.

If not for the border with Mexico, that allows the impoverished to simply walk-in from South America on up, America would be perfect. Even Mexico is trying to build a wall to keep the Guatemalans out.

The pie is shrinking and it's putting us at each other's throats.

America only has less than 330 million.

Asia has over 3 Billion (over 4 actually) and labor is consequently cheap.

Why then are we not looking out for our own lower end workers?

People who have jobs and salaries that can keep them afloat aren't angry and aren't protesting. We should never allow America to become "too" dependent on a foreign country for our everyday products - especially when their products are cheap junk (I.e. Exploding Galaxy Note 7 batteries, rotting drywall, lead poisoning in baby food and dog food, cheap plastic that breaks...)

Those socialist European countries everyone on Facebook desperately want to emulate typically have fewer citizens than New York State or California alone. They can afford to over-tax their citizens and provide healthcare/entitlements and services. America can't.

You can not have an open border policy and a welfare state.

A country with no borders is no country at all.

BREXIT was the British rejecting open-borders and globalism.

Donald J Trump was America's Brexit.

I don't need anyone to argue with me on this - it's historical record now. Trump is president-elect now.

All the liberal tears and whining and protests and riots aren't going to interfere with our democratic election.

This isn't Call of Duty: World at War. The wounded soldier (Hillary) doesn't get to plant the flag in the end.

The people have spoken.

 

[davislane1]

Historically, America is the one benefited from free trade the most...
America used to punish or even wage war on other countries in the name of free trade...
And just because others adopted the idea and doing well, America say it's not fair and calling it quits.

Historically America punished or waged war in the name of free trade because "America first." Hell, it's why we drove Native Americans onto reservations.

It is entirely consistent with that philosophy to call it quits the very moment it ceases to be advantageous.

 

[Trillionsin]

I dare him, dooo eeeeet! bwahahahaha

 

[mbrowne5061]

If you copy/paste any of the listed developments into Google you will find several reports for each.

The burden of proof isn't on me or any other reader of this thread, whether or not we are actually versed in the topic or not. We're not trying to prove anything, and not every reader is going to go out and fact check your post for you.

If you want to prove a point - any point - provide a citation from a reputable source (WJS, NYT, BBC, AJE, etc) or stop spreading "overheard a stranger talking about his brother's-wife's-cousin's-boyfriend said they heard" headlines.

 

[ManuelV]

"if Trump does decide to change things, then “the new president will be condemned for his recklessness, ignorance and incompetence and bear all the consequences."

Ignorance?, that is to much, how would China react if a country calls ignorant to his president?. Also the last time Obama was on china they were very unrespectfull with him and the secret service.

 

[MoeJoe]

You mean like a Galaxy Note 7?

No.
More like a Lehman.

 

[Bigtruckseries]

"if Trump does decide to change things, then “the new president will be condemned for his recklessness, ignorance and incompetence and bear all the consequences."

Ignorance?, that is to much, how would China react if a country calls ignorant to his president?. Also the last time Obama was on china they were very unrespectfull with him and the secret service.

The most dangerous thing about Trump is that he's a 1-term-president. Whether things go great or poorly, he's 70 years old and likely won't seek a 2nd term. He can cite "age" rather than "popularity" as a reason he would not seek another term.

Trump's real legacy is in "being President # 45". He probably had a complex - living in his father's shadow and had to prove himself in an indelible way - I.e. winning the presidency. Had Hillary won, regardless how things turned out, 1000 years from now she'd have been remembered as the first woman president. There will be a female president someday but Hillary absolutely didn't deserve to be it.

Be wary with a "presidency" that becomes a cult of personality.

The only way to stop this is to make an amendment that prevents people who haven't been a mayor or governor for running for office.

The founding fathers didn't want that because they thought the people would have a better connection to the government through an elected president. What they couldn't count on is that the welfare state would grow this out of control and that illegal immigration, welfare, sexism and racism would create entire voting blocks determined to elect presidents based solely on race, ethnicity or gender.

 

[davislane1]

The burden of proof isn't on me or any other reader of this thread, whether or not we are actually versed in the topic or not. We're not trying to prove anything, and not every reader is going to go out and fact check your post for you.

If you want to prove a point - any point - provide a citation from a reputable source (WJS, NYT, BBC, AJE, etc) or stop spreading "overheard a stranger talking about his brother's-wife's-cousin's-boyfriend said they heard" headlines.

You seem to be under the mistaken impression I am required to provide sources for anything. If I make a post about something, you can either dismiss it, take my word for it, or debunk it. I made my point. And I am going to make another.

What kind of 'reputable' organization is deemed untrustworthy by 68% of its market? Source: WT

 

[trparky]

The problem is everyone is spouting American sentiment and thinking that we don't need anyone's help, well that's where you're wrong. It's this mindset of alienation and big huffy puffy talk that makes us look small and weak, and just spouting rhetoric about "They took err jerbs!" to quote southpark is not going to bring back the jobs you think it is.

Then what do you propose? The same road that we've been on for the last twenty years that has taken millions of good paying jobs out of the US and sent them overseas? Do you really want to continue down that road with a trade deficit so freakin' huge that it makes the Death Star look small in comparison?

Trade needs to be fair for it work for everyone. One US Dollar in for every one US Dollar out, that's fair trade. But that's not what is happening. We keep buying stuff from other countries and our money go to them but we don't see it coming back to us when they buy stuff from us. That's because 95% of the stuff we use every day is made elsewhere.

Any economist will say that in order for a nation to prosper their workers need to work.
"A country that doesn't work is a country that will fail. A county that works (and manufactures their own stuff) is a country that prospers."

 

[Bigtruckseries]

Trade needs to be fair for it work for everyone. One US Dollar in for every one US Dollar out, that's fair trade. But that's not what is happening. We keep buying stuff from other countries and our money go to them but we don't see it coming back to us when they buy stuff from us. That's because 95% of the stuff we use every day is made elsewhere.

All those socialist European countries Facebook users who have no education want to emulate are mostly homogeneous, small and don't have major issues with illegal immigration. People who pay high taxes want to feel they are getting good services for their tax money: clean, safe schools, safe neighborhoods and healthcare.

Nothing wrong with that.

The problem comes when you systematically make countries dependent on other countries - which aren't really dependent on other countries.

AFRICA is a continent that could literally be independent of the rest of the world and produce enough to sell the rest of the world an abundance of minerals and food.

South America, North America, and Australia could be self sufficient.

Free Trade helps countries all over the world have access to new products. The problem is, we don't have free trade. We don't have capitalism either. We have crony capitalism.

 

[Bruce V Wayne]

This is why we elected s non politician/brilliant businessman to the White House. To get stuff done. Instead of bowing to world leaders, like Obama did, we will have a President who will look them directly in the eye.

 

[ManuelV]

The most dangerous thing about Trump is that he's a 1-term-president. Whether things go great or poorly, he's 70 years old and likely won't seek a 2nd term. He can cite "age" rather than "popularity" as a reason he would not seek another term.

Trump's real legacy is in "being President # 45". He probably had a complex - living in his father's shadow and had to prove himself in an indelible way - I.e. winning the presidency. Had Hillary won, regardless how things turned out, 1000 years from now she'd have been remembered as the first woman president. There will be a female president someday but Hillary absolutely didn't deserve to be it.

Be wary with a "presidency" that becomes a cult of personality.

The only way to stop this is to make an amendment that prevents people who haven't been a mayor or governor for running for office.

The founding fathers didn't want that because they thought the people would have a better connection to the government through an elected president. What they couldn't count on is that the welfare state would grow this out of control and that illegal immigration, welfare, sexism and racism would create entire voting blocks determined to elect presidents based solely on race, ethnicity or gender.

I don't like trump, but china answer isn't respectul, that is not the way a nation with that much power should respond. Ha, lets see how it is with trump on the office.

There is just one thing I like about trump, it is outside the political circule of the USA, IMO trump didn't won, the ones defeated were the politicians of the usa. Just see what the bankers did to the usa and the world, and them the unecesary invasion of irak, the refuge crisis because of ISIS, doubling the colossal debt , etc, etc. All that was made by friends of the politicians and didn't get any punishment. And it didn't look like it was to change and how all this is gonna end for the world. Republicans and democrats had to agree to let all that happen. Just let pray Trump isn't like he look he is on the campain.

 

[tonylukac]

They aren't saying that china is going to cut off production of iphones, but that's what you say. Any reason to put factories back here?

 

[Footlong]

People here in the comment section seems to be under the impression that we are still in the early XX century. No country can live without globalisation now. It is hard, near to impossible to produce most goods in a country. Although countries as big as China, India, US, Brazil, Russia, Australia and Canada (to some extent) have land and resources to do so, they don't have all materials and all know how.
Trump policies as they are now will not magically create jobs, but create inflation. A company is not obligated to open a factory/office because of a governamental policy. Iphones are just the tip of the spear on a "trade war" that is happening all over the globe. The high cost of manufacturing in developed world is related to many issues like higher wages, strict environment law and safety law, consumer laws and unionized workers.
Does China play dirty?! Yes. Will the US closing it's borders to chinese goods change this? I don't think so. Whatever China produces they can do so it a fraction of the cost the US can. What do you think will happen? People will contraband those goods. Somewhere the underground criminal world is popping a bottle, hoping that once Trump increase import taxes people will buy all those goods from them.

 

[MonsterZero]

Trade needs to be fair for it work for everyone. One US Dollar in for every one US Dollar out, that's fair trade. But that's not what is happening. We keep buying stuff from other countries and our money go to them but we don't see it coming back to us when they buy stuff from us. That's because 95% of the stuff we use every day is made elsewhere.

All those socialist European countries Facebook users who have no education want to emulate are mostly homogeneous, small and don't have major issues with illegal immigration. People who pay high taxes want to feel they are getting good services for their tax money: clean, safe schools, safe neighborhoods and healthcare.

Nothing wrong with that.

The problem comes when you systematically make countries dependent on other countries - which aren't really dependent on other countries.

AFRICA is a continent that could literally be independent of the rest of the world and produce enough to sell the rest of the world an abundance of minerals and food.

South America, North America, and Australia could be self sufficient.

Free Trade helps countries all over the world have access to new products. The problem is, we don't have free trade. We don't have capitalism either. We have crony capitalism.

Africa has been a breeding ground for political and governmental corruption which is why despite their abundance of minerals and food as you say, has entire camps and cities of starving and homeless refugees.

Africa is an untapped resource for manufacturing and it's already being built up as we speak.

Again, you miss the broader picture, it's about corporations taking advantage of cheap labor. America is some 50 years behind the curve here because we decided to export all our jobs and they will never come back, no matter how much Trump tells you they will.

 

[wiyosaya]

The people have spoken.

I have to disagree with you on that. If it were not for James Madison, apparently, HRC would be president now because she won the popular vote.

Why don't I like Trump? Because he is threatening to implement the US equivalent of Sharia law. With all his anti-everyeone else rhetoric, I find it interesting that people seem to not realize that his rhetoric is the complete opposite of new testament writings. In other words, perhaps the anti-Christ was just elected to be POTUS.

If you want to bring jobs back to the US, there is no need to start a trade war. Just make it so that US companies have a tax advantage to employ people in the US rather than what our wonderful lawmakers have done so far. Its simple.

It appears I have been moderated. We'll try this again with what I am guessing is the offending content rewritten.

Stop being like Trump, Start loving other humans, we are all on this planet TOGETHER.

Derp. The whole appeal of Trumptrade is that he will rebalance our trade deals with an America-first stance, not "end all trade."

Agreed!

It will likely take a few years until the "blame everything on everyone else crowd" sees exactly what has been elected to be POTUS. My bet - things go downhill from here...

Reality is different from catchy slogans - especially when America has been great all along...

You know, every time I read a comment like this, the decision to make Hillary Clinton the DNC nominee begins to make a little more sense.

While I agree that China is talking smack - they can't afford to go without our Soy and corn imports - what are your sources for the rest of this?

If you copy/paste any of the listed developments into Google you will find several reports for each.

Absolutely, I did not expect you to get it; it does not surprise me that you did not. Look at the history of Nazi Germany; they blamed everyone else for their faults and look where that got them. Search gagme for "nazi blame of jews" and educate yourself rather than taking everything you learned in Sunday School as verbatim truth.

BTW - I did not vote for Clinton, I voted against Trump.

 

[wiyosaya]

"Like many of his pre-election statements, whether he follows through with the promise remains to be seen."

Mexico wants to renegotiate NAFTA.
Canada wants to renegotiate NAFTA.
Illegals, according to some reports, are starting to self-deport.
Sanctuary cities have been put on notice.
Russia has changed its stance (de-escalation).
Killed TPP.

...and that's in less than one week after winning the election.

China is talking smack.

Why would Canada and Mexico want to renegotiate NAFTA? So they can gain the advantage, I bet.
Russia changed it's stance? Russia wanted to deescalate and open the doors to cooperation when 44 was elected. But, 44 took the hard-line approach, and you think that 45 is going to be less hard-line so that Russia will deescalate? Just as they did with 44, Russia will ramp up if 45 decides he is going to maintain status quo. So far, it seems that 45 IS going to maintain status quo, and, therefore, Russia will not deescalate.

Personally, I don't see where you think that Russia has deescalated just by saying they want to talk.

When you are ready to return to Earth, saner minds will be here waiting for you.

 

[Bigtruckseries]

Absolutely, I did not expect you to get it; it does not surprise me that you did not. Look at the history of Nazi Germany; they blamed everyone else for their faults and look where that got them. Search gagme for "nazi blame of jews" and educate yourself rather than taking everything you learned in Sunday School as verbatim truth.

BTW - I did not vote for Clinton, I voted against Trump.

#1 Congratulations on your vote for Hillary.

#2 We're gonna build a wall and drain the swamp.

 

[p51d007]

I GUESS we'll have to start making products domestically and put Americans back to work HUH?

Make America Great Again.

Unfortunately, if they were produced here, it would have to have a TON of automation, considering the difference in labor rates between China/USA (or the rest of the world for that matter).
You want manufacturing and jobs to come back to the USA? Jump on board with a Fair/flat tax and take the power of the tax code OUT of the hands of the IRS & politicians. The USA would be such a tax haven, people would be BEGGING to move here to stash their money, and their companies.

 

[mctommy]

Bring jobs back to America? To $15/hour burger flipping cities? More like move those jobs to other countries and keep them out of the US since it has been too damn expensive and just keeps on getting more expensive.

 

[hahahanoobs]

Good. Samsung is better anyway.

Samsung phones are trash. I'll pay the premium to have iPhone. Samsung and all the rest of the Android stuff just isn't worth it.

85% of users worldwide disagree...

 

[JamesSWD]

I GUESS we'll have to start making products domestically and put Americans back to work HUH?

Make America Great Again.

I can't believe that you actually think this will happen. This mindset comes from vanity, and the idea that we don't need help from foreign countries. You know the whole reason Egypt and early civilizations traveled right? IT WAS FOR TRADE.

The whole reason manufacturing is done overseas is because its cheaper, EVEN with tariffs its a crap load cheaper to manufacture there. There is also the reliance on rare earth minerals that only exist in the east, this makes importing tech manufacturing jobs extremely costly in the US.

The problem is everyone is spouting American sentiment and thinking that we don't need anyone's help, well that's where you're wrong. It's this mindset of alienation and big huffy puffy talk that makes us look small and weak, and just spouting rhetoric about "They took err jerbs!" to quote southpark is not going to bring back the jobs you think it is.

Stop being like Trump, Start loving other humans, we are all on this planet TOGETHER.

This utopian view of things is incorrect. What Trump is advocating is FAIR trade, not this disaster of free trade which has decimated our manufacturing base, as well as our other industries. Yes, it's best if all the countries work together in trade because we all have something the others want. But what's been going for decades are unfair trade practices & manipulations that have been very damaging to this country, while enrich others.

That Trump wants to do is even the balance and put our best interests first before committing to trade deals. There is nothing wrong with that, as all these other countries, like China, have been doing it themselves at our expense.

 

[Nero7]

Has anyone seen how empty the rallies of Hillary were? You can't tell me that more people have legit voted for her with such empty rallies and events. Worst of all are the things Beyonce and Jay-z have said in their concerts at her events. Look it up its remarkable.

 

[Scavengers]

America's greatest ally is the fact it is separated from the rest of the world by Shark infested waters.

No one can simply "walk here" to fight us and travel by sea to here is extremely difficult/ hazardous.

If not for the border with Mexico, that allows the impoverished to simply walk-in from South America on up, America would be perfect. Even Mexico is trying to build a wall to keep the Guatemalans out.

The pie is shrinking and it's putting us at each other's throats.

America only has less than 330 million.

Asia has over 3 Billion (over 4 actually) and labor is consequently cheap.

Why then are we not looking out for our own lower end workers?

People who have jobs and salaries that can keep them afloat aren't angry and aren't protesting. We should never allow America to become "too" dependent on a foreign country for our everyday products - especially when their products are cheap junk (I.e. Exploding Galaxy Note 7 batteries, rotting drywall, lead poisoning in baby food and dog food, cheap plastic that breaks...)

Those socialist European countries everyone on Facebook desperately want to emulate typically have fewer citizens than New York State or California alone. They can afford to over-tax their citizens and provide healthcare/entitlements and services. America can't.

You can not have an open border policy and a welfare state.

A country with no borders is no country at all.

BREXIT was the British rejecting open-borders and globalism.

Donald J Trump was America's Brexit.

I don't need anyone to argue with me on this - it's historical record now. Trump is president-elect now.

All the liberal tears and whining and protests and riots aren't going to interfere with our democratic election.

This isn't Call of Duty: World at War. The wounded soldier (Hillary) doesn't get to plant the flag in the end.

The people have spoken.

Actually the people spoke for Clinton, and not by just a little.
Trump is the president elect because of the electoral collage, which worked well in the late 1700's.

 

[Bigtruckseries]

Actually the people spoke for Clinton, and not by just a little.
Trump is the president elect because of the electoral collage, which worked well in the late 1700's.

You can keep trying to run that lie - that false narrative...but I'm not gonna bite.

The Electoral college keeps your so-called majority of Californians...and states swamped with middle-class Californians who fled California due to the runaway welfare state taxes (Washington, Oregon, Colorado, etc)... from deciding the fate of so many other states.

Furthermore, the electorate was less than half the population of the USA.

I don't consider that a majority at all.

Even though the liberal media intelligentsia - who just got annihilated - will continue trying to push that lie - the reality is, Hillary ain't swearing in come January.

And I said "ain't" cause I can.

Electoral college worked well last week...

I love it.