AMD Ryzen 7 5800X3D Review: Gaming-First CPU

HardReset

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But it's not comparable to the 12900ks. Is the 12600 comparable to the 5950x?
And why not? We are talking gaming CPU here.
I can post you cbr23 score of my 12900k on a small single tower air cooler. It hits 65c. MUCH hotter lol.

I sitll don't get why you are comparing to the 12900. It's twice as fast. The proper comparison is with the 12700f (both locked and no igpu), and sadly the 12700f not only is considerably cheaper, it absolutely crucifies the 5800x 3d on everything bar 240p gaming. It's not even a contest lad.

Also, the king (that's why it's called the crown) doesn't care about the price. Saying the 12900ks is more expensive makes you a peasant. Don't be a peasant.
You obviously claim Intel's higher heat output just "disappears"? Also everyone knows processor reported "temperatures" are usually inaccurate.

Twice as fast on gaming? When talking about gaming CPU, no-one cares about productivity stuff or integrated GPU, both are useless when gaming. You see, when AMD released Ryzen 5950X Intel fanboys told Intel is faster on gaming, no matter AMD was twice as fast on productivity stuff. Now when AMD has gaming CPU, suddenly productivity and useless iGPU are so important 🤦‍♂️

Crown does care about power consumption. And AMD is clear winner on efficiency.
 

Squid Surprise

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Yeah perhaps on some old titles but on newer that are not Intel optimized games it rocks. Additionally it runs much cooler. Also being much cheaper, there is not real competition here. Get over it.
Remember the post before this... when you accused Intel fans of "moving the goalposts"?

See what you're doing there?

The Intel 12500 and 12700 ARE competition for this CPU - they are, in general, superior. They beat it in productivity and are very close in gaming... not to mention they are in the same price bracket...

But if you want to say "gaming crown"... then clearly, INTEL has it... with their ridiculous 12900KS...
 

HardReset

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Remember the post before this... when you accused Intel fans of "moving the goalposts"?

See what you're doing there?
Just reminding about moving those goalposts.
The Intel 12500 and 12700 ARE competition for this CPU - they are, in general, superior. They beat it in productivity and are very close in gaming... not to mention they are in the same price bracket...

But if you want to say "gaming crown"... then clearly, INTEL has it... with their ridiculous 12900KS...
Very close but not close enough, also productivity is not issue when talking about gaming CPU. But like I said, it's easy to move goalposts.

Clearly? When considering price, motherboard requirements, DDR5 price and requirement and power consumption, it's hard to call Intel has crown.

Even Techspot agrees that with scores: AMD 90/100, Intel 70/100.
 

Strawman

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And why not? We are talking gaming CPU here.

You obviously claim Intel's higher heat output just "disappears"? Also everyone knows processor reported "temperatures" are usually inaccurate.

Twice as fast on gaming? When talking about gaming CPU, no-one cares about productivity stuff or integrated GPU, both are useless when gaming. You see, when AMD released Ryzen 5950X Intel fanboys told Intel is faster on gaming, no matter AMD was twice as fast on productivity stuff. Now when AMD has gaming CPU, suddenly productivity and useless iGPU are so important 🤦‍♂️

Crown does care about power consumption. And AMD is clear winner on efficiency.
Okay, so the 12600k SHITS on AMD's flagship, the 5950x, at less than half the price.

If you care about gaming performance you get a 12900 / 900k / 900ks with a 2 slot mobo and a hynix ddr5 kit and wave goodbyes to the 5800x 3d. If you care about value you get a 12700f + ddr4 mobo and wave goodbye to the uber expensive 3d.
 

Squid Surprise

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Just reminding about moving those goalposts.

Very close but not close enough, also productivity is not issue when talking about gaming CPU. But like I said, it's easy to move goalposts.

Clearly? When considering price, motherboard requirements, DDR5 price and requirement and power consumption, it's hard to call Intel has crown.

Even Techspot agrees that with scores: AMD 90/100, Intel 70/100.
GOALPOST: Gaming crown:
Which company makes the CPU that gives the highest FPS in the most games?
Answer: INTEL

Moving Goalpost #1: You decide, all of a sudden, that cost/power efficiency matters here (but it doesn't matter when it comes to the 12600 - which is cheaper than the 58003D, performs closer to the 58003D in games than the 3D does compared to the 12900KS, and beats it in productivity). You give the crown to AMD instead...

Now do you understand why we can't take your comments on here seriously?
 

nnguy2

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Okay, so the 12600k SHITS on AMD's flagship, the 5950x, at less than half the price.

If you care about gaming performance you get a 12900 / 900k / 900ks with a 2 slot mobo and a hynix ddr5 kit and wave goodbyes to the 5800x 3d. If you care about value you get a 12700f + ddr4 mobo and wave goodbye to the uber expensive 3d.
But you say the 5800X3D beat 12700 at the same price point.
 

Strawman

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So let me guess, if I go back to the 12600k review and read the comments, I'll find HardReset praising Intel cause they STOMPED the 5950x in gaming performance. Right? RIGHT? What do you mean no? Why not? Isn't that what he is doing here, comparing a console CPU with a productivity monster like the 12900k?
 

Strawman

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But you say the 5800X3D beat 12700 at the same price point.
It's not the same price point. The 12700f costs 320 euros. If you try to build a CPU + mobo + ram on the same budget, I'm pretty confident the f will come on top on everything, probably including gaming performance, just because you can just add more expensive better because of how much cheaper the CPU actually is.
 

nnguy2

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So let me guess, if I go back to the 12600k review and read the comments, I'll find HardReset praising Intel cause they STOMPED the 5950x in gaming performance. Right? RIGHT? What do you mean no? Why not? Isn't that what he is doing here, comparing a console CPU with a productivity monster like the 12900k?
The whataboutism is strong in this post.
 

Squid Surprise

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But you say the 5800X3D beat 12700 at the same price point.
In gaming... yes it does... barely... but there are some mitigating factors here... first off, the 12700 crushes it in productivity... secondly, you can OC the 12700 - and you can't do that with the 58003D...thirdly - you can only claim it's the same price point if you account for motherboard and RAM - the 12700 CPU is over $100 cheaper!

The previous poster said it best, but I'll paraphrase.... you want bragging rights for gaming: go for the 12900KS... you want value, go 12600 or 12700... The 58003D is a good CPU - but Intel's are better right now.
 

HardReset

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Okay, so the 12600k SHITS on AMD's flagship, the 5950x, at less than half the price.

If you care about gaming performance you get a 12900 / 900k / 900ks with a 2 slot mobo and a hynix ddr5 kit and wave goodbyes to the 5800x 3d. If you care about value you get a 12700f + ddr4 mobo and wave goodbye to the uber expensive 3d.
5950X is not gaming flagship. That's difference.

Even that combo still heavily loses on power consumption. Like we see here, for some people it's quite impossible to understand Intel lost here. AMD did something unpredictable.
GOALPOST: Gaming crown:
Which company makes the CPU that gives the highest FPS in the most games?
Answer: INTEL
Using that logic, doubling power consumption and getting 1% more speed is all needed for retaking gaming crown. Not so simple.

Also just highest FPS is not only metric.
Moving Goalpost #1: You decide, all of a sudden, that cost/power efficiency matters here (but it doesn't matter when it comes to the 12600 - which is cheaper than the 58003D, performs closer to the 58003D in games than the 3D does compared to the 12900KS, and beats it in productivity). You give the crown to AMD instead...

Now do you understand why we can't take your comments on here seriously?
I just use same arguments Intel fanboys used. Like productivity does not matter when gaming performance is good. But now when AMD makes CPU that has excellent gaming performance but poor productivity, same fanboys are promoting suddenly so important productivity performance. That's what I call moving goalposts.

58003D is still faster than 12600 and 12600 on other hand have no match for 12900KS on productivity, that's why it's lower value part. And of course, mid end parts almost always offer better price/performance ratio than top end ones.
 

Aceseven

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So if I want to max out my am4 mobo would the 5800x3d be the best choice? my 5600x is pretty new but may as well push this rig to its limits
 

Strawman

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I just use same arguments Intel fanboys used. Like productivity does not matter when gaming performance is good. But now when AMD makes CPU that has excellent gaming performance but poor productivity, same fanboys are promoting suddenly so important productivity performance. That's what I call moving goalposts.

58003D is still faster than 12600 and 12600 on other hand have no match for 12900KS on productivity, that's why it's lower value part. And of course, mid end parts almost always offer better price/performance ratio than top end ones.
There is no moving goalposts. The 12600 / 12700 / 12900 beat their equivalent cpus in both gaming AND productivity, at a better pricepoint.

The 5800x 3d gets absolutely crucified in anything that's not games by CPUs that are way cheaper. Even the el cheapo 12600k is faster than the 5800 x3d. The 12700 is in a completely different ballpark. All that when the gaming difference is a measly 5 or less percent, for 50% more money. Yeah, great freaking CPU, lol
 

Strawman

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So if I want to max out my am4 mobo would the 5800x3d be the best choice? my 5600x is pretty new but may as well push this rig to its limits
If you have a good am4 mobo yeah. If you have an old am4 mobo, you can get a 12700f + a brand new b660 for the price of the 5800x 3d. It's a good CPU, but the price is just bonkers.
 

HardReset

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Really? Wasn;t it the gaming flagship for the last 2 years?
Was.
There is no moving goalposts. The 12600 / 12700 / 12900 beat their equivalent cpus in both gaming AND productivity, at a better pricepoint.

The 5800x 3d gets absolutely crucified in anything that's not games by CPUs that are way cheaper. Even the el cheapo 12600k is faster than the 5800 x3d. The 12700 is in a completely different ballpark. All that when the gaming difference is a measly 5 or less percent, for 50% more money. Yeah, great freaking CPU, lol
I think this thread says 58003D beats those on gaming.

Once again: who cares about non-games when talking about gaming CPU? It's meant to run games fast. And it does that. It's also quite cheap because it does not have useless cores. 5 percent for 50% more money is pretty good deal, look at Intel's flagship...
If you have a good am4 mobo yeah. If you have an old am4 mobo, you can get a 12700f + a brand new b660 for the price of the 5800x 3d. It's a good CPU, but the price is just bonkers.
Swapping just CPU is much easier than swapping motherboard and CPU.
 

Squid Surprise

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So if I want to max out my am4 mobo would the 5800x3d be the best choice? my 5600x is pretty new but may as well push this rig to its limits
The 5900 is selling pretty cheaply right now... if you can get it cheaper than the 5800X3D, get it instead... it has more cores and destroys it in everything but gaming - and it's still pretty decent at games.

 

Squid Surprise

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Once again: who cares about non-games when talking about gaming CPU? It's meant to run games fast. And it does that. It's also quite cheap because it does not have useless cores. 5 percent for 50% more money is pretty good deal, look at Intel's flagship...
But it doesn't run them as fast as the 12900KS.... so why is it important to look at price/power efficiency/etc there... but NOT look at it when comparing the 12600 and 12700 with it?
Swapping just CPU is much easier than swapping motherboard and CPU.
 

Strawman

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I think this thread says 58003D beats those on gaming..
And yes it doesn't. I see 12900k and 12900ks on the top of the charts, lol. I would probably even see the 12700k if they tested with the same ram. So yeah, NOPE. Not only it didnt get the crown, its not even in the podium bro
 

HardReset

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But it doesn't run them as fast as the 12900KS.... so why is it important to look at price/power efficiency/etc there... but NOT look at it when comparing the 12600 and 12700 with it?
Runs faster when there are newer games instead of something like CS:GO.

Because we are comparing top gaming models here. Price/power are usually better on mid range offerings, that's nothing new. If price/performance has any weight, 12900KS makes no sense at all.
And yes it doesn't. I see 12900k and 12900ks on the top of the charts, lol. I would probably even see the 12700k if they tested with the same ram. So yeah, NOPE. Not only it didnt get the crown, its not even in the podium bro
It got crown because it has much lower power consumption and that makes possible to make smaller/more silent unit. That's why Intel has no chance on crown here.

Like I said previously, if just speed matters, then re-taking crown from previous model is easy. Just add 1% more speed and 50% more power consumption. But hey, it's faster...
 

Strawman

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Runs faster when there are newer games instead of something like CS:GO.

Because we are comparing top gaming models here. Price/power are usually better on mid range offerings, that's nothing new. If price/performance has any weight, 12900KS makes no sense at all.

It got crown because it has much lower power consumption and that makes possible to make smaller/more silent unit. That's why Intel has no chance on crown here.

Like I said previously, if just speed matters, then re-taking crown from previous model is easy. Just add 1% more speed and 50% more power consumption. But hey, it's faster...
You realize that the 3d wins mostly in old games, right??? Farcry 6 is the only game that it wins and is less than like 5 years old. Sotr and zero dawn are like from 2018. It also gets clapped by games released 2020 and afterwards, like riftbreakers cyberpunk hitman 3 and watchdogs. So wtf are you talking about again???
 

Alfatawi Mendel

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If you're a gamer...This is a no-brainer. It's cheaper, more efficient, and faster than anything Intel can come up with. No need for an uber-expensive motherboard with exotic power requirements. No need for expensive water cooling.
I thought AMD were talking rubbish when they claimed 15% increase in gaming - But they were right on the button.
Pat Gelsinger will be having nightmares about this...and the upcoming Zen4.
Not just that - But what an AMD engineer was really hyper excited about, was Zen 5, which he described as a "Game Changer".
Exciting times ahead.
 

HardReset

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You realize that the 3d wins mostly in old games, right??? Farcry 6 is the only game that it wins and is less than like 5 years old. Sotr and zero dawn are like from 2018. It also gets clapped by games released 2020 and afterwards, like riftbreakers cyberpunk hitman 3 and watchdogs. So wtf are you talking about again???
What I mean here is that old games are more likely to fit in small cache. That's very obvious. And with limited selection there are more likely exceptions.