AMD Ryzen 7 5800X3D Review: Gaming-First CPU

Strawman

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If you're a gamer...This is a no-brainer. It's cheaper, more efficient, and faster than anything Intel can come up with. No need for an uber-expensive motherboard with exotic power requirements. No need for expensive water cooling.
I thought AMD were talking rubbish when they claimed 15% increase in gaming - But they were right on the button.
Pat Gelsinger will be having nightmares about this...and the upcoming Zen4.
Not just that - But what an AMD engineer was really hyper excited about, was Zen 5, which he described as a "Game Changer".
Exciting times ahead.
Hello, have you heard of the 320 euros 12700f?
 

Gimp65

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I do love that AMD has somehow decided they compete with the 12900K (and even 12900KS)... there is no comparison here... the CPUs are for completely different things!

If you want the fastest desktop CPU, period, you go 12900.... this will cost you almost double the 58003D and will run applications as fast as a 5950 and games faster than anything...

BUT... if you only want gaming, then 12500, 12700 are the Intel CPUs that compare with the 58003D.... and yes, the 58003D beats them (barely).... but those Intel CPUs are cheaper, do application stuff faster (cause you might still want to do SOME work on your computer), and are overclockable!

I agree(ofc. And when you already own a half a decade old mobo and say 1800x or 2700x, and want something faster for games, the drop in replacement 5800X3D has superp value and performance, this is the perfect upgrade for those if they game, making it as fast as the best intel has to offer without having to buy new mobo and ram.

This is a great last hurrah for AM4 , the best platorm ever for consumer desktop.
 

yukka

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So if I want to max out my am4 mobo would the 5800x3d be the best choice? my 5600x is pretty new but may as well push this rig to its limits

It would be the cpu to max out the mobo for gaming due to the 3D cache but right now unless you are running a 3090 with your 5600x at 1080p, you aren’t going to see much difference between this chip and yours. I have a 3600 and a 3060ti and as soon as you go to 1440p, the GPU is the limiter, not the cpu. I’m not considering an upgrade for my 3600 right now. Maybe eventually but not for a year or more. I’d stick with a 5600X even longer.
Techspot did a good article some months ago comparing four different Ryzens. The 3070 benches are the closest to mine. The upgrade doesn’t seem worth it.
 

Tantor

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WooHoo! I'll tell you what this means. For just $450, I can drop this in my daughter's x370 mini-itx system. She'll have a smoking fast gaming computer that crushes Intel. And she'll get another 3 to 4 years out of her system, on top of the 4 she already has.

That's the AMD advantage. Value to the max.
 

Strawman

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WooHoo! I'll tell you what this means. For just $450, I can drop this in my daughter's x370 mini-itx system. She'll have a smoking fast gaming computer that crushes Intel. And she'll get another 3 to 4 years out of her system, on top of the 4 she already has.

That's the AMD advantage. Value to the max.
Yes,great value. With 450 you can get a 12700f but a brand new shiny mobo with more features and upgradability. But nope, instead youll PAY as if youd be getting a new mobo but you won't, youll keep your 5 years old one, get crucified in every other workload just to get 5% more fps at 240p. Insane value mate
 

Puiu

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If this what they can achieve without any changes to Zen3, and with even a drop in clock speed, then Zen4 will be a beast for gaming.
 
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Puiu

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Some peeps will opt for the $449 5800X3D and some will opt for the $310 12700F + B660 board.
For new builds it makes more sense to go Intel, but for those with AM4, just upgrading the CPU will be both cheaper and easier.

The problem with going Intel right now is that you'll either go for cheaper DDR4 and leave performance on the table or very expensive DDR5 (5600Mhz or better). I really hope that next year DDR5 prices go down.
 
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Puiu

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Okay, so the 12600k SHITS on AMD's flagship, the 5950x, at less than half the price.

If you care about gaming performance you get a 12900 / 900k / 900ks with a 2 slot mobo and a hynix ddr5 kit and wave goodbyes to the 5800x 3d. If you care about value you get a 12700f + ddr4 mobo and wave goodbye to the uber expensive 3d.
Pretty sure the 12700F with DDR4 is slower (even with the 65W limit removed when using a good mobo).

And your comparisons makes no sense. The 5800X3D is not for building new PCs right now, it's just the best gaming CPU for the AM4 platform. Why would somebody, who can just upgrade the CPU to get a massive boost for gaming, buy a new PC?

AMD just proved that, even with lower clocks, the extra cache gives massive gains. It's a gamble that has paid off for AMD. Now add 20-30% extra IPC, higher clocks and DDR5 to that and now you understand why people are excited for Zen4.

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Irata

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Pretty sure the 12700F with DDR4 is slower (even with the 65W limit removed when using a good mobo).

And your comparisons makes no sense. The 5800X3D is not for building new PCs right now, it's just the best gaming CPU for the AM4 platform. Why would somebody who can just upgrade the CPU to get a massive boost for gaming buy a new PC?

AMD just proved that, even with lower clocks the extra cache, gives massive gains. it's a gamble that has paid off for AMD. Now add 20-30% extra IPC, higher clocks and DDR5 to that and now you understand why people are excited for Zen4.

The best part is that 3d cache gives higher performance at very noticeably lower power consumption.

Looking at Computerbase‘ numbers, power consumption shows the following (average/max):
5800X: 87/95 Watt
5800X3d: 61/63 Watt
That‘s -30% / -66% in terms of power for +15% performance at the same resolution
 

Strawman

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Pretty sure the 12700F with DDR4 is slower (even with the 65W limit removed when using a good mobo).

And your comparisons makes no sense. The 5800X3D is not for building new PCs right now, it's just the best gaming CPU for the AM4 platform. Why would somebody who can just upgrade the CPU to get a massive boost for gaming buy a new PC?

AMD just proved that, even with lower clocks the extra cache, gives massive gains. it's a gamble that has paid off for AMD. Now add 20-30% extra IPC, higher clocks and DDR5 to that and now you understand why people are excited for Zen4.
Im not disagreeing that for am4 users the 5800x3d might be the better option. The problem is, the price is so outrageously high that even if you have an am4 mobo, its a close call. Specially if you have an old x370 or x470, might be the better option to get a brand new b660 for 150 euros, youll spend as much as the 3d costs alone and youll end up with a much faster cpu and way better features and upgradability.

Does it lose on gaming? Probably at 720p you'll be like 5% behind. So the question is how much are you willing to sacrifice for that 5%. If the answer is everyhing then sure, the 3d is a good option
 

ssjben

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I find it odd that E-V-E-R-Y single one of you glorified reviewers chose to conveniently ignore the 12700k which btw, performs as well as the 12900k in gaming and costs LESS than the 5800x3D.

Funny coincidence huh? Absolutely no conspiracy going on here.
 

Puiu

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The best part is that 3d cache gives higher performance at very noticeably lower power consumption.

Looking at Computerbase‘ numbers, power consumption shows the following (average/max):
5800X: 87/95 Watt
5800X3d: 61/63 Watt
That‘s -30% / -66% in terms of power for +15% performance at the same resolution
The lower clocks help with the power draw, but it's more likely the binning proces that AMD is doing that helps the most. (like how the 6950x draws less than the 6900x)
 

HardReset

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Im not disagreeing that for am4 users the 5800x3d might be the better option. The problem is, the price is so outrageously high that even if you have an am4 mobo, its a close call. Specially if you have an old x370 or x470, might be the better option to get a brand new b660 for 150 euros, youll spend as much as the 3d costs alone and youll end up with a much faster cpu and way better features and upgradability.

Does it lose on gaming? Probably at 720p you'll be like 5% behind. So the question is how much are you willing to sacrifice for that 5%. If the answer is everyhing then sure, the 3d is a good option
Once again, swapping CPU is very easy task. Swapping motherboard is like building whole new system.

Also your suggested upgrade is still slower on games and runs much hotter. Energy prices are rising btw.

Edit: You can get 12700K+B660 at same price as 58003D Only if using Amazon's discount. That can go away anytime. Generalizing that single store's probably timed discount applies to every country, every shop all the time is wrong.
I find it odd that E-V-E-R-Y single one of you glorified reviewers chose to conveniently ignore the 12700k which btw, performs as well as the 12900k in gaming and costs LESS than the 5800x3D.

Funny coincidence huh? Absolutely no conspiracy going on here.
It does not perform as well. You can easxily say that just looking at clock speeds and in real world https://static.techspot.com/articles-info/2352/bench/Average-p.webp

No, 12900K is faster than 12700K. There is no conspiracy this time.
 
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Strawman

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Once again, swapping CPU is very easy task. Swapping motherboard is like building whole new system.

Also your suggested upgrade is still slower on games and runs much hotter. Energy prices are rising btw.

Edit: You can get 12700K+B660 at same price as 58003D Only if using Amazon's discount. That can go away anytime. Generalizing that single store's probably timed discount applies to every country, every shop all the time is wrong.

It does not perform as well. You can easxily say that just looking at clock speeds and in real world https://static.techspot.com/articles-info/2352/bench/Average-p.webp

No, 12900K is faster than 12700K. There is no conspiracy this time.
What amazon discount, I can buy the 12700f right now for 316 from my local store, lol
 

Puiu

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Ιm talking about the 12700F. Locked no igpu, you know like thr 5800x3d 😏
It's around 350$ (415$ with taxes) where I live in Europe with the 5800x being cheaper (~330$). Intel is generally more expensive than normal (the same with nvidia). The new mobos are also crazy expensive.
 
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Usukosej

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It is kind of funny that most people think that all Ryzen 1000, 2000 and 3000 users are currently using 3200/C14 or 3600/C16 memory.

Most are using trashy sub 3000 MHz memory with bad timings and they will never see the performance 5800X3D gets in reviews, which are all using 3200/14 or faster aka premium DDR4 memory. Hell most reviews are even using 3600/C16 or 4000/C18.

It would be pointless for most of these people to upgrade to this chip. For people building a new system, yeah maybe, maybe not. Alder Lake has superior perf/value but AM5 is coming in a few months and Raptor Lake soon after. 12600K is sub 200 dollars and can be paired with cheap DDR4 memory and still perform well.

Ryzen 5800X3D should probably have been launched last year instead, to be interesting for actual buyers.

I JUST HOPE that AMD will smack 3D CACHE on all (or most) of future Ryzen chips. However Intel is adding tons of cache to Raptor too.

Can't wait to see Ryzen 7000 vs Raptor.

However Ryzen 8000 vs Meteor is going to be the real battle in 2023.
 

Sausagemeat

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I’m not sold on the 5800X3D but it’s done better than I expected. I’d still go Intel, mostly for PCIe5 and thunderbolt. I’d probably buy a 12700k
 

Sausagemeat

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But it doesn't run them as fast as the 12900KS.... so why is it important to look at price/power efficiency/etc there... but NOT look at it when comparing the 12600 and 12700 with it?

A perfect example of pure AMD fanboy hypocrisy.

Personally I think it’s criminal for Steve not to include a 12700K in this test. It’s not consistent of him, he usually tries to show best value and even goes as far as to call people who buy things like a 3090 or 12900K stupid. Yet in this review he doesn’t want to compare to a more sensible similarly priced component from the competitor?

For a long time AMD fans were saying AMD parts were better because they are only slightly behind Intel on gaming but way ahead on productivity. Looking at the numbers I’m willing to guess the 12700K is only slightly behind in gaming yet way ahead on productivity.
 
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Mr Majestyk

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They run at 1080p to eliminate GPU bottlenecks when testing.

Well of course but it's irrelevant as no one will play at such crap resolution with this hardware, it's a theoretical measure that has no real world relevance. I don't even bother looking at 1080p benchmarks. I can't recall the last time I played at that res. So I don't care who is fastest. All I need to know is if the combo I'm planning on using will be rock solid at 1440p or higher