AMD Ryzen 7 5800X3D Review: Gaming-First CPU

Puiu

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Thats not true actually, on most mobos and cpus you cant run 3200 with anything but bdies. I had 3 r5 1600 with 3 different mobos, all had the same issue

I would be happy about the upgradability if the price of a mobo wasn't inclided in the price of the cpu. With the 3d being 450 euros, you ARE paying for a motherboard, you just dont get one, you have to stick with your old outdated one.
I'm talking from personal experience. I've built PCs for friends and never had RAM issues. I just used the techspot list of mobo recommendations for first gen with a combination of 3000 and 3200MHz RAM (there was a period when 3200MHz RAM was very expensive). For me, 3000MHz has always worked regardless of the die type.

And again that's not the point. You are talking about a slight RAM speed reduction for a 5yo PC. Do you understand just how big of a difference the CPU will make from such an upgrade if you have a compatible mobo? (I don't expect OEMs to release bios updates to all first gen mobos)
 

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Who cares about the platform when the 3d is the last cpu you are putting on it???? Wtf are you even saying. If you buy the 3d,youll be stuck with the 3d until you change your mobo, so who cares.

Point is the 7700k was a bad cpu, yet it was way better positioned than the 3d is today. And here you are praising the 3d, go figure.
7700K was fastest gaming CPU at that time. You call it bad? Using that logic 5800X is bad, that's hard to disagree...
i5-12600K is ~250 dollars and will perform just as well as 5800X3D in gaming with OC to 5+ GHz on all-core (which all will do) while beating it in applications, meaning superior all-round performance. Hell even at stock the 12600K will be within a few percent of 5800X3D in gaming :joy: AMD wants 449 dollars for this chip, running on a dead socket.
AMD's "dead socket" has been around for 5 years now. I already know you don't care about CPU upgrades so no need to say anything about that.
Tons of people cares about single thread perf - alot of programs still are not multi threaded.

Alder Lake beats Zen 3 in both single and multi threaded workloads. AMD has nothing in the consumer-space that makes sense right now. Intel has best value and best performance.
Programs like? Where single thread performance makes noticeable difference?

AMD has best efficiency. But yes, you only care about things Intel does better.
Look up TECHSPOTS top 5 CPU article and you will see. Hard read for an AMD fanboy tho, I know :joy: Intel sits on BEST VALUE and BEST PERFORMANCE in the consumer space.

Intel owns enterprise markets (servers and laptops), desktop markets (intel sold better than amd in the last 2 quarters) and soon Intel is coming for AMDs GPU segment; Low to mid end. Nvidia dominates dGPU market with 85% .. AMD and Intel can share the remaining 15% 🤣 🤣
That's because Intel can only compete on price. Hard for Intel fanboy to admit Intel is now cheap option and AMD is premium brand ;)

Stupid people buy Intel despite AMD has better products.

How many integrated GPU's Nvidia has for PC market? None. AMD gladly lets Nvidia to sell GT710 etc crap.
 

Strawman

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I'm talking from personal experience. I've built PCs for friends and never had RAM issues. I just used the techspot list of mobo recommendations for first gen with a combination of 3000 and 3200MHz RAM (there was a period when 3200MHz RAM was very expensive). For me, 3000MHz has always worked regardless of the die type.

And again that's not the point. You are talking about a slight RAM speed reduction for a 5yo PC. Do you understand just how big of a difference the CPU will make from such an upgrade if you have a compatible mobo? (I don't expect OEMs to release bios updates to all first gen mobos)
Yes, 3066 speed worked, when you got to 3.2 it was full of bsods. Not that it matters I guess, im just pointing it out
 

Strawman

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7700K was fastest gaming CPU at that time. You call it bad? Using that logic 5800X is bad, that's hard to disagree...

AMD's "dead socket" has been around for 5 years now. I already know you don't care about CPU upgrades so no need to say anything about that.

Programs like? Where single thread performance makes noticeable difference?

AMD has best efficiency. But yes, you only care about things Intel does better.

That's because Intel can only compete on price. Hard for Intel fanboy to admit Intel is now cheap option and AMD is premium brand ;)

Stupid people buy Intel despite AMD has better products.

How many integrated GPU's Nvidia has for PC market? None. AMD gladly lets Nvidia to sell GT710 etc crap.
Not a fanboy at all. Only stupid people buy amd when intel is cheaper and better 😉
 
You realize that the 3d wins mostly in old games, right??? Farcry 6 is the only game that it wins and is less than like 5 years old. Sotr and zero dawn are like from 2018. It also gets clapped by games released 2020 and afterwards, like riftbreakers cyberpunk hitman 3 and watchdogs. So wtf are you talking about again???
Wdym gets clapped? It's gpu bound in newer games
 

I don't understand why no one is comparing this to the past, remember when intel sold the 9900ks and people were buying that cpu, the same people would buy the x3d, and definitely should over 129ks

Also the main target for the x3d imo are am4 users, rn for gaming of you have older am4 cpus, rather than a 12400f/12600k it's probably more convinient to get a 5600x, abd if you want high fps you get the x3d, if you can't find x3d you get the 5700/5800x

You have plenty options as an am4 user, and amd can't sell the 5800x for 450 anymore, so they are milking customers with the x3d (just like intel did with the 9900kfc ) however rather than just +200mhz and +200w, you are getting a shitton of cache which gives 10%+ fps in 90% of games at 1080/1440p

I'd say for enthusiastic cpus that's a win, obviously higher tier cpus aren't about value but 800 is too much.

As for production workloads, really? The cpu is marketed for gaming, and people say the 12900k is better for production/ editing but it's $800, get a used threadripper for that much instead, more ram and pcielanes too, probably not muchore for a threadripper system vs ddr5+ 129k + very expensive z690 mobo

Ofc it goes without saying if you are building new and want best name for buck below 12700k is an excellent buy woth ddr4 there is plenty of competition which lower end cpus and ts fond fore most gamers

Just imo, and this rant is just in general, it's about the wider picture, there are many good cpus out there if you don't find one in stock there is another and we as consumers win
 

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I don't understand why no one is comparing this to the past, remember when intel sold the 9900ks and people were buying that cpu, the same people would buy the x3d, and definitely should over 129ks

Also the main target for the x3d imo are am4 users, rn for gaming of you have older am4 cpus, rather than a 12400f/12600k it's probably more convinient to get a 5600x, abd if you want high fps you get the x3d, if you can't find x3d you get the 5700/5800x

You have plenty options as an am4 user, and amd can't sell the 5800x for 450 anymore, so they are milking customers with the x3d (just like intel did with the 9900kfc ) however rather than just +200mhz and +200w, you are getting a shitton of cache which gives 10%+ fps in 90% of games at 1080/1440p

I'd say for enthusiastic cpus that's a win, obviously higher tier cpus aren't about value but 800 is too much.

As for production workloads, really? The cpu is marketed for gaming, and people say the 12900k is better for production/ editing but it's $800, get a used threadripper for that much instead, more ram and pcielanes too, probably not muchore for a threadripper system vs ddr5+ 129k + very expensive z690 mobo

Ofc it goes without saying if you are building new and want best name for buck below 12700k is an excellent buy woth ddr4 there is plenty of competition which lower end cpus and ts fond fore most gamers

Just imo, and this rant is just in general, it's about the wider picture, there are many good cpus out there if you don't find one in stock there is another and we as consumers win
"milking" - not really, we pretty much got confirmation that it's just a limited release CPU with the production line for stacking switching to Zen4 later. For the money they are asking, the CPU makes a lot of sense, even if it's not the best value if you are not already in the AM4 ecosystem.

As a sidenote, we still don't know if the first Zen4 CPUs will have the extra 3D cache. Rumours point towards a 2023 release date for such CPUs.
 

Usukosej

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7700K was fastest gaming CPU at that time. You call it bad? Using that logic 5800X is bad, that's hard to disagree...

AMD's "dead socket" has been around for 5 years now. I already know you don't care about CPU upgrades so no need to say anything about that.

Programs like? Where single thread performance makes noticeable difference?

AMD has best efficiency. But yes, you only care about things Intel does better.

That's because Intel can only compete on price. Hard for Intel fanboy to admit Intel is now cheap option and AMD is premium brand ;)

Stupid people buy Intel despite AMD has better products.

How many integrated GPU's Nvidia has for PC market? None. AMD gladly lets Nvidia to sell GT710 etc crap.
Haha AMD does not have better products, this is the reason why Intel outsold them in the last 2 quarters. Alder Lake simply beats Zen 3 in all-round performance with ease. Alder Lake have better performance per dollar too.

Go read Techspots Top 5 CPU article (y) (Y) 🤣 :joy:

AMDs GPU market is laughable right now, and will only get worse over the next years. Nvidia dominates and Intel will eat them up in low end market, which has been AMDs prime segment always. People that want high-end stuff looks one way; Nvidia

Ampere outsold RDNA2 like 10:1 which Steam HW survey will proof .. oh yeah, AMD fanboys don't believe Steam HW survey - I WONDER WHY 🤣🤣🤣🤣 REALITY HURTS
 

Puiu

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Haha AMD does not have better products, this is the reason why Intel outsold them in the last 2 quarters. Alder Lake simply beats Zen 3 in all-round performance with ease. Alder Lake have better performance per dollar too.

Go read Techspots Top 5 CPU article (y) (Y) 🤣 :joy:

AMDs GPU market is laughable right now, and will only get worse over the next years. Nvidia dominates and Intel will eat them up in low end market, which has been AMDs prime segment always. People that want high-end stuff looks one way; Nvidia

Ampere outsold RDNA2 like 10:1 which Steam HW survey will proof .. oh yeah, AMD fanboys don't believe Steam HW survey - I WONDER WHY 🤣🤣🤣🤣 REALITY HURTS
Only the last quarter did intel claw back marketshare, and AMD is still overwhelmingly popular. Image if, with two newer generations, intel didn't manage to release a CPU that outperformed Zen3... it would have been a disaster.

Amazon's top 10 only has 2 Intel CPUs (this is actually slightly worse than what we saw during the winter holiday season):

This is a mindfactory report from Feb 19th:
This is from April 17th:

You can laugh all you want, but next time, just look at the major retailers.

Thankfully for Intel, they seem to doing well on newegg, finally removing AMD from the top spot:
 
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Usukosej

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Only the last quarter did intel claw back marketshare, and AMD is still overwhelmingly popular. Image if, with two newer generations, intel didn't manage to release a CPU that outperformed Zen3... it would have been a disaster.

Amazon's top 10 only has 2 Intel CPUs (this is actually slightly worse than what we saw during the winter holiday season):

This is a mindfactory report from Feb 19th:
This is from April 17th:

You can laugh all you want, but next time, just look at the major retailers.
I never believed MindFactory sales numbers.
Look at steam hw survey instead. It reflects the gaming market very well and AMD failed miserably with RDNA2. Yet claimed CPU marketshare, which was expected. Intel took some back with Alder Lake and Alder Lake has better performance per dollar than Zen 3 / 5000 series.

Only Ryzen 5800X3D has the gaming performance of Alder Lake, yet costs as much as i9-12900K

But you don't need i9-12900K for gaming, an i7-12700K will perform exactly the same for much less
 

Puiu

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I never believed MindFactory sales numbers.
Look at steam hw survey instead. It reflects the gaming market very well and AMD failed miserably with RDNA2. Yet claimed CPU marketshare, which was expected. Intel took some back with Alder Lake and Alder Lake has better performance per dollar than Zen 3 / 5000 series.

Only Ryzen 5800X3D has the gaming performance of Alder Lake, yet costs as much as i9-12900K

But you don't need i9-12900K for gaming, an i7-12700K will perform exactly the same for much less
Check my post again. You replied too fast and didn't see the newegg entry which shows intel selling better.

But that's not really the point. The point was that you mocking AMD is stupid since AMD is selling CPUs just fine.

And stop mentioning the price of a CPU which is barely in stock right now. It's obvious that day 1 prices will not be normal. Amazon US has none in stock and amazon DE has only 3 in stock. to get it now, it's more expensive than the 5950x which is selling for 550$.

The high prices mostly come from the fact that the few which are still in stock are being shipped from China (check the newegg sellers). If I can draw this conclusion in just a few minutes, why can't you?

As for RDNA2, yes Nvidia heavily outsold AMD, this is not a secret.
 
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Usukosej

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Check my post again. You replied too fast and didn't see the newegg entry which shows intel selling better.

But that's not really the point. The point was that you mocking AMD is stupid since AMD is selling CPUs just fine.

And stop mentioning the price of a CPU which is barely in stock right now. It's obvious that day 1 prices will not be normal. Amazon US has none in stock and amazon DE has only 3 in stock. to get it now, it's more expensive than the 5950x which is selling for 550$.

The high prices mostly come from the fact that the few which are still in stock are being shipped from China (check the newegg sellers). If I can draw this conclusion in just a few minutes, why can't you?

As for RDNA2, yes Nvidia heavily outsold AMD, this is not a secret.
Here in EU most stores have +100 of 5800X3D and it's still more expensive than 12900KF. There is generally TONS of 5800X3D stock.. Won't be very popular.

I was about to pull the trigger but did not. I want Ryzen 7000/8000 or Meteor Lake in 2023.

Lets hope that 3D Cache won't be delayed as much going forward. I don't want to wait 18+ months post launch to get a Ryzen 7000/8000 with 3D cache.

Ryzen 7800X3D/8800X3D or i7-14700K will be my next chip. I can almost taste it.
 

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Here in EU most stores have +100 of 5800X3D and it's still more expensive than 12900KF. There is generally TONS of 5800X3D stock.. Won't be very popular.

I was about to pull the trigger but did not. I want Ryzen 7000/8000 or Meteor Lake in 2023.

Lets hope that 3D Cache won't be delayed as much going forward. I don't want to wait 18+ months post launch to get a Ryzen 7000/8000 with 3D cache.

Ryzen 7800X3D/8800X3D or i7-14700K will be my next chip. I can almost taste it.
I'm in the EU and it isn't hard to check online stores. I've already checked the prices and stocks in many places (uk, italy, germany, france, romania, etc).

It's either only as a pre-order (if it is listed at all), or the delivery dates are sometime in May (which generally means that they are either importing them somewhere like China or they are waiting for more stock to arrive).

As for whether people should buy it or not, it all depends on what how much money you have and if you can just simply pop-in the CPU in your existing PC.

If you want a new PC waiting for the the next gen isn't a bad idea.
 

Usukosej

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I'm in the EU and it isn't hard to check online stores. I've already checked the prices and stocks in many places (uk, italy, germany, france, romania, etc).

It's either only as a pre-order (if it is listed at all), or the delivery dates are sometime in May (which generally means that they are either importing them somewhere like China or they are waiting for more stock to arrive).

As for whether people should buy it or not, it all depends on what how much money you have and if you can just simply pop-in the CPU in your existing PC.

If you want a new PC waiting for the the next gen isn't a bad idea.
Oh really? Tons of 5800X3D on the shelves in EU;


100+ in stock and ready to ship ... Took me 10 seconds :joy:

Can we please stop acting like this chip is in huge demand? Makes zero sense for 99.9% of AM4 users. Simply too expensive.

Lets hope they can bring down prices for 3D Cache for 7000 and 8000 series, which is where I am buying a new platform. Or Meteor Lake depending on what makes sense in 2023.
 
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Puiu

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Oh really? Tons of 5800X3D on the shelves in EU;


100+ in stock and ready to ship ... Took me 10 seconds :joy:

Can we please stop acting like this chip is in huge demand? Makes zero sense for 99.9% of AM4 users. Simply too expensive.

Lets hope they can bring down prices for 3D Cache for 7000 and 8000 series, which is where I am buying a new platform. Or Meteor Lake depending on what makes sense in 2023.
That's your proof that there is stock? (and frankly, that "100 in stock" looks too round of number to be true) I can give you as an example ALL of the stores in Romania (emag being one of the biggest in eastern europe). Zero in stock.

Or better yet, try buying from here (zero in stock): https://www.amazon.co.uk/AMD-RyzenTM-5800X3D-Processor-16-thread/dp/B09VCJ2SHD

Looking at different amazon countries it seems that there are only 2 sources for the 5800x 3D, both selling at an inflated prices: first is Intlmob (ships from Spain and has only 18 in stock) and second PureGaming which is a french , and weirdly the 5800x 3D is not listed on their own online store, just on amazon for 712euros.

Mindfactory has an article about it, but they've yet to list it (not even as a pre-order).

This is the cheapest I could find in stock (489euro, it was more expensive a few days ago): https://www.caseking.de/amd-ryzen-7-5800x3d-3-4-ghz-vermeer-am4-boxed-ohne-kuehler-hpam-237.html

Give it a few weeks for more stores to get shipments of the CPU and prices should get closer to MSRP by the end of May. You should be used to inflated prices and low stocks at the launch of such products by now.
 

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I don't understand why no one is comparing this to the past, remember when intel sold the 9900ks and people were buying that cpu, the same people would buy the x3d, and definitely should over 129ks

Also the main target for the x3d imo are am4 users, rn for gaming of you have older am4 cpus, rather than a 12400f/12600k it's probably more convinient to get a 5600x, abd if you want high fps you get the x3d, if you can't find x3d you get the 5700/5800x

You have plenty options as an am4 user, and amd can't sell the 5800x for 450 anymore, so they are milking customers with the x3d (just like intel did with the 9900kfc ) however rather than just +200mhz and +200w, you are getting a shitton of cache which gives 10%+ fps in 90% of games at 1080/1440p

I'd say for enthusiastic cpus that's a win, obviously higher tier cpus aren't about value but 800 is too much.

As for production workloads, really? The cpu is marketed for gaming, and people say the 12900k is better for production/ editing but it's $800, get a used threadripper for that much instead, more ram and pcielanes too, probably not muchore for a threadripper system vs ddr5+ 129k + very expensive z690 mobo

Ofc it goes without saying if you are building new and want best name for buck below 12700k is an excellent buy woth ddr4 there is plenty of competition which lower end cpus and ts fond fore most gamers

Just imo, and this rant is just in general, it's about the wider picture, there are many good cpus out there if you don't find one in stock there is another and we as consumers win
"At same price you should get the 5800X3D"

What I find amusing is now that Intel has better price/MT performance with ADL, it's been ignored for productivity when it was the selling point for Zen when it was losing to quad cores in gaming. Very odd that. They also ignored the fact only one Zen 3 came with a cooler in the box (5600X), when prior to that including a cooler was a repeated selling point vs previous Intel K chip builds.

The better buys for the masses continue to be the 12100, 12400, 12600 and 12700. 5800X3D is only attractive to people with Zen 2 or older and want to spend $450 USD on a gaming CPU. I already have a 5600X @ 1440p, so the 5800X3D would have to be on sale for half price or real close to that for me to even look at it. The 2700X was eventually on sale for 55% off, so if the X3D does too I might get it.
 
Who's gonna spend that kind of money on a CPU to play at 1080p. Pointless.
Well yes and no!
If you want high frame rates its great and its a lot cheaper than 12900K/KS and so it's a great option if you already own an AMD RYZEN ! It will help prolong the life of your rig if gaming is your thing!
If you are starting from scratch then Intel would be better but you will pay more ! If you cut costs then you are missing out on its benefits ie ddr5 etc
Unfortunately there appears to be a long standing industry bias to look upon Intel more favourably than AMD for everything ! That's just an observation I have noticed over the last 20 years! It just seems to be an ingrained culture which I think people are so used to doing it they don't even notice these days. I'm not talking specifically about in here, but in general !
 
I do love that AMD has somehow decided they compete with the 12900K (and even 12900KS)... there is no comparison here... the CPUs are for completely different things!

If you want the fastest desktop CPU, period, you go 12900.... this will cost you almost double the 58003D and will run applications as fast as a 5950 and games faster than anything...

BUT... if you only want gaming, then 12500, 12700 are the Intel CPUs that compare with the 58003D.... and yes, the 58003D beats them (barely).... but those Intel CPUs are cheaper, do application stuff faster (cause you might still want to do SOME work on your computer), and are overclockable!
12500 and 12700 are NOT overclockable!
Only the K versions are and there is NO 12500K versions.
You also need to be careful when selecting non K versions cos some have no e cores, lower clock speeds , less cache etc .
Be diligent b4 u buy and study up !
 

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12500 and 12700 are NOT overclockable!
Only the K versions are and there is NO 12500K versions.
You also need to be careful when selecting non K versions cos some have no e cores, lower clock speeds , less cache etc .
Be diligent b4 u buy and study up !
Actually - if you get the right motherboard - they can…
 
No it wouldn't. A 12700f plus a ddr4 bazooka b660 + the stock cooler is almost the price of the 3d itself
I think you are missing point as you are already skimping on the new Alderlake technology improvements ie DDR5., to save $$$ which kinda defeats the purpose.
 
Actually - if you get the right motherboard - they can…
At end of the article he mentions that it requires an external clock generator and unfortunately these are only in a select few high end motherboards which cost lots of $$$$ which defeats the purpose of cheap a ss system for big performance gains!
Would be nice though if you could do it cheaply!☺
 

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