Intel suspends business in Russia, appeals for return to peace

QuantumPhysics

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Maybe you don't understand how QP thinks Hyrax.

You are from Estonia. QuantumPhysics has heard of Estonia, and one time he watched 10 minutes of Tangerines.

Therefore, he knows more than you do.


I learned a while ago not to bother arguing with pro-Ukraine voices.

We can debate over the ASHES left once Russia is finished there.

Fair enough?
 

kiwigraeme

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In the past 30 years there are no lefties or libs in Europe warning about Russia quite the opposite actually. Most of Europe was happy to deal with Russia and pretend that everything was right. Only Eastern Europeans actually knew that the fall of the Soviet Union did not mean anything and soon the same murderous regime would start over again, because in Russia they still have pride in the horrendous acts they did in the last century.

On the side note, I don't know if you have self awareness to understand that your posts are as nuanced as the posts from the "lefties" you so much despise. They are just colored the other way.

I visited Estonia in a January Winter maybe 1997 - really liked it - maybe not so quaint now with progress - talking to the local people - The Anti-Russian sentiment I got - was rich Russians owning too many summer beach houses etc - putting price up ( same everywhere New Yorkers , Londoners buying up local homes in nice places as second homes) .
Latvians seemed more openly Ant-Russian - making I think Govt jobs compulsory to speak Latvian - they were pissed off by Russians arrogance not wanting to integrate properly . Didn't get to Lithuania - but from recent news - they hate the Russians .
I had a Polish girlfriend - the Polish absolutely hate the Russians .
Interesting when Soviet Bloc countries compare Nazis in WW2 vs Russian Troops - The Germans were model citizens - The SS did mass killings - But the average German soldier was much better behaved and not some animal let loose .
From Estonia - I visited St Petersburg for a couple of weeks - met some lovely theatre/creative people who took me in - assume most of them by nature are antiwar . Did the Trans Manchurian train from Beijing to Moscow in '94 - as a blue eyed Kiwi the Russians were very hospitable to me .
Have a soft spot for Georgians and Kachapuri! - they are super friendly and nice - they are also proud of their country - but not with arrogance or superiority . Got to hang with a bunch of guys at rundown thermal pool place in the country side - dirt roads near end - they all drove Black Mercedes etc they had very little English so couldn't ask if they were Mafia or Businessmen - probably both
 

scavengerspc

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I learned a while ago not to bother arguing with pro-Ukraine voices.
YOU, are not just bothering with someone pro Ukraine, you are bothering with someone strongly anti Russia. And I mean in every way. I am aware of what Russia does to people, so long as they are from a smaller country with a much smaller military. For a long time, Russia has been in that very small club, where the entire planet would be better off without them.

We can debate over the ASHES left once Russia is finished there.

Fair enough?
Absolutely, but the ashes will be cleaned up, while Russia crawls back into its swamp, isolated from 99% of the world and with fossil fuels they can no longer sell.
 

kiwigraeme

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YOU, are not just bothering with someone pro Ukraine, you are bothering with someone strongly anti Russia. And I mean in every way. I am aware of what Russia does to people, so long as they are from a smaller country with a much smaller military. For a long time, Russia has been in that very small club, where the entire planet would be better off without them.


Absolutely, but the ashes will be cleaned up, while Russia crawls back into its swamp, isolated from 99% of the world and with fossil fuels they can no longer sell.
The good thing Russia has already lost - unfortunately Ukraine is still paying n blood and rape of children and women.
Most clued up Russians know its over the bran drain is massive - once the borders open up - it will be more .
Many still things will be back to normal in a year or two.
No more fake media the Onion declared t 2 weeks ago
 

AlaskaGuy

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Boy, if only people listened when we wanted to invest in renewables so we wouldn't be at the mercy of foreign powers. Maybe now someone will actually do something about the wests reliance on bad actors for their economic needs.
Europe did this to themselves by doing away with nuclear plants while pushing climate change propaganda.
 

scavengerspc

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The good thing Russia has already lost - unfortunately Ukraine is still paying n blood and rape of children and women.
Most clued up Russians know its over the bran drain is massive - once the borders open up - it will be more .
Many still things will be back to normal in a year or two.
No more fake media the Onion declared t 2 weeks ago
I think it's possible that we will see another Marshal Plan, except this time it will be most of the world that helps rebuild Ukraine.
 

kiwigraeme

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Europe did this to themselves by doing away with nuclear plants while pushing climate change propaganda.
I think you mean Germany - I did think it was odd closing down theirs and paying France for nuclear power .
I have seem some studies to say renewables are now more viable than new nuclear power stations going forward .
USA has not had much luck bringing new ones on - huge possible cost blowouts .
I do think in the world got together and used the best methods and designs - nuclear power can be quite safe . 3 Mile Island , Chernobyl , Russian ones that failed and covered up , Fukushima were all old mostly 1950s crap - badly maintained .
Maybe we get fusion power one day - it that gets real good we can clean up the extra CO2 in the atmosphere that mainly started from the start of the Industrial Revolution - that started anthropological global warming from known 140 year old science ( never disproven that CO2 is a greenhouse gas ) - that you don't believe in
 

AlaskaGuy

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I think you mean Germany - I did think it was odd closing down theirs and paying France for nuclear power .
I have seem some studies to say renewables are now more viable than new nuclear power stations going forward .
USA has not had much luck bringing new ones on - huge possible cost blowouts .
I do think in the world got together and used the best methods and designs - nuclear power can be quite safe . 3 Mile Island , Chernobyl , Russian ones that failed and covered up , Fukushima were all old mostly 1950s crap - badly maintained .
Maybe we get fusion power one day - it that gets real good we can clean up the extra CO2 in the atmosphere that mainly started from the start of the Industrial Revolution - that started anthropological global warming from known 140 year old science ( never disproven that CO2 is a greenhouse gas ) - that you don't believe in
When anyone ask me my take on climate change I say yes it's been changing for millenium.

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kiwigraeme

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When anyone ask me my take on climate change I say yes it's been changing for millenium.

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Nice image - I kind of already knew your argument - Rome was warm a 1000 off years ago and all that . That fight is already over - only thing I will say - we are currently in a human caused mass extinction event - Some animals and plants can not adapt to the speed of the change .
I used to happily argue this as quite conversant with it - don't argue say rDNA vaccines - as though know roughly how it works - and the exciting possibilities ahead - can not speak on safety - as don't know enough.
Visited your part of the world back when a gallon of gas was $1.20- 140 -so back in late 90s - up the Alcan down the Cassiar .

Spent most of the time in the back country - no flying and didn't go north to Pruhoe - as think my camper didn't have enough spare tyres for was it shale roads? - plus needed permits to explore native areas .
Maybe I saw you out hunting Moose/bear on your quad bike

Now Alaskans are independent thinkers - remember them being annoyed Federal govt would with hold road funding - it didn't stop people smoking grass - So if you read something on a news site = as an Alaskan you can always check it .
Anyway magical part of the world - surreal skies , mountains , glaciers, tundra , wildlife etc - not sure you want all the lower 48 coming up in too many numbers to see for themselves .
Would love to do a multiday kayak trip down some of the rivers - The more calmer water parts
 

gamerk2

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Europe did this to themselves by doing away with nuclear plants while pushing climate change propaganda.
Germany did in particular. Personally, I'm not against nuclear power...when implemented properly and with the proper safeguards in place.

Regardless, renewables are already cheaper then pretty much every alternative, and given the supply issues involved with every other form of energy generation you are going to see a switch over the coming decades. Probably too late to avoid the worst effects of a warming climate though.
 

gamerk2

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I think it's possible that we will see another Marshal Plan, except this time it will be most of the world that helps rebuild Ukraine.
Doubt it; world is far too nationalistic these days to ever consider that type of massive spending campaign toward a foreign nation, even if the increase in trade would be a net economic benefit when all is said and done. There's also still a very real chance Putin annexes east Ukraine for no other reason then the situation there is reversed; it's Ukraine that needs to remove the Russians from it.
 

gamerk2

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Welp; that's what happens with weak leadership. Joe Biden meet Neville Chamberlain. And Inspector Clouseau.
Biden has handled things about as well as he could have without getting directly involved.

Clinton was in charge when Putin first got involved in Chechnya, Bush was in charge for Georgia, Obama for Crimea, and Trump wanted us out of NATO entirely *and* reduced forces in eastern Europe (Nevermind negotiating the US withdrawal from Afghanistan). The US has for decades signaled it wasn't going to get involved with Putin's invasions.

So to compare Biden to Chamberlain is somewhat disingenuous, considering how the last four guys in the White House built up to this. Of all of them, Biden is the only one doing more then a strongly worded letter.

Now, whether he should do more is an entirely separate discussion onto itself.
 

gamerk2

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Easy now. You have a long, absolutely terrible track record of predictions.
To be fair, Democrats are absolutely loosing the House and almost certainly loosing at least some seats in the Senate, mainly because inflation (and poor messaging, but that's been a thing since the late-90's; Democrats at the party level suck at messaging).

But the underlying economic fundamentals remain strong, the supply disruptions will fade with time, and I can see inflation dropping through '23. A very good historical comparison would be to look at Raegan in '82 (literally the most hated man in America) versus Reagan in '84 (the most loved). The only real difference was inflation petering out.
 

scavengerspc

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When anyone ask me my take on climate change I say yes it's been changing for millenium
Then you would do well to tell everyone to stop asking you. That's a dead end.
that's what happens with weak leadership. Joe Biden meet Neville Chamberlain. And Inspector Clouseau.
While I'm not a big Biden fan, you should know that the Ukrainian people are very happy and grateful with his part in this, and Zelenskyy has almost nothing but praise for him. But you poor little fellers don't approve? Tough s**t.
 
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mbrowne5061

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...the simple fact is that the Ukrainian army absolutely positioned their forces in Donbas and was preparing to invade Luhansk and Donetsk.
You can't invade your own country.

The Russian forces used a "pincer movement" on them like Shaka Zulu and closed them off.
And how did that end up working out for them? Oh, right: getting encircled themselves outside Kyiv, then being forced into a full retreat.