Nvidia GeForce RTX 4070 Review: $600 Mid-Range is Here

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Although there's no easy way to do this (or at the very least, have an accurate figure for it), accounting for the die fabrication costs is worth considering here.
No, it really isn't worth considering because the EXACT same manufacturing costs apply to CPUs and they haven't budged one bit. Unless you can explain why that is, I can't take your post seriously.

OTOH, if you CAN explain why that is, I would really appreciate it because I don't really want to believe that we're just getting screwed. However, not wanting to believe something has no effect whatsoever on what I believe. Objective fact always overrides what I want to believe and right now, your post doesn't agree with what we've objectively seen.
 
I think that is not so easy, so it is a welcomed challenge. Let's see how customers are willing to vote with their wallets nowadays in this strange videocard market prices.
I think that Beerfloat is right though. Right now, the RTX 3070 Ti is about the same price as the RX 6950 XT. The only thing that could cause that is BIG demand for the RTX 3070 Ti and low demand for the RX 6950 XT.

If the (objectively pretty terrible) RTX 3070 Ti is out-selling the (objectively pretty amazing) RX 6950 XT, when the RX 6950 XT out-classes it in every way, then the RTX 4070 will annihilate it in sales numbers.

You've been around for awhile and you've probably seen the market evolve over the past decade so I can ask you this question honestly:
Haven't you noticed that, when it comes to buying video cards, people have not been voting with their wallets for a long time now?
 
Inflation has something to do with everything. It exists, whether or not you like it. If the CPUs have not seen increases in their prices as measured in dollars, that simply means they have gotten cheaper.
Unlike every other industry, tech gets cheaper over time and that out-weighs inflation. I've been building PCs since 1988 and I've always considered it to be one of the coolest things about tech.

I've proven you wrong with CPU prices that haven't really budged since 2017. If that's not enough for you, that's not my problem.
 
I'm confused. What do you mean? (You have to be simple with me, I'm not that bright!) :laughing:
Lol.
Simple.
Your message was very (too) long.
The best part was in the middle of the message.
I wanted to emphasize what you said :
----> if there's no inflation on CPU, why is there a huge inflation on GPU ?
 
Lol.
Simple.
Your message was very (too) long.
The best part was in the middle of the message.
I wanted to emphasize what you said :
----> if there's no inflation on CPU, why is there a huge inflation on GPU ?
Perhaps because on CPU market is a more healthy competition than in GPU market.
We have to acknowledge that AMD is taking a fierce fight on 2 fronts, against 2 giants, Intel and Nvidia, both waaay bigger than AMD. So quite impressive performance from AMD.
Also AMD decided to take Intel down 1st as a priority. And they are already winning against Intel.
Nvidia will be the 2nd. AMD is coming after Nvidia next.
Let's take this as a funny pamphlet. :laughing:
Or a prophetic one? :laughing:
 
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Perhaps because on CPU market is a more healthy competition than in GPU market.
We have to acknowledge that AMD is taking a fierce fight on 2 fronts, against 2 giants, Intel and Nvidia, both waaay bigger than AMD. So quite impressive performance from AMD.
Also AMD decided to take Intel down 1st as a priority. And they are winning against Intel.
Nvidia will be the 2nd. AMD is coming after Nvidia next.
Let's take this as a funny pamphlet.
hopefully
 
I bought an MSI Ventus 3X OC model for MSRP, same price as the FE. Review looked good for the cooler and noise.

Already shipped out the FE 3060Ti previously in the machine for $350 so it's a relatively cheap $230 and modest ~40 percent performance upgrade. See how it goes.
 
Your post is perfectly sound and I agree with all but this part of it. Only people who buy GeForce cards are at nVidia's mercy. I chose my path long ago and couldn't be happier about it because I'm NOT at their mercy. No amount of gimmickry will ever get me to buy a GeForce card. It's the only way to really be happy because it's the only way to really not care. ;)
You, I and a couple of others are smart buyers and perhaps willing to go the extra mile to do "the right thing" but look at nvidia market share, why do you think is that high?

Because lots of people dont know better and look up to people like Tim Jensen, Steven Jensen, Linus Jensen and Jay Super-Jensen for advice and guidance and what do those "reviewers" say?

They say "Buy Nvidia Yo!"

And that places people like you and I at their mercy because one day, AMD might say "To hell with this" and drop out of the GPU market, since its clear that no matter what, they cant win.
 
Lol.
Simple.
Your message was very (too) long.
The best part was in the middle of the message.
I wanted to emphasize what you said :
----> if there's no inflation on CPU, why is there a huge inflation on GPU ?
Ahhh, ok, I understand now! Well, the thing is, when I have a lot of replies to make, forum admins usually prefer one message with reply in it instead of several messages. In fact, the TechPowerUp forum automatically merges replies so that's why I did it. I agree that stuff can get lost though. :laughing:
 
Perhaps because on CPU market is a more healthy competition than in GPU market.
We have to acknowledge that AMD is taking a fierce fight on 2 fronts, against 2 giants, Intel and Nvidia, both waaay bigger than AMD. So quite impressive performance from AMD.
Also AMD decided to take Intel down 1st as a priority. And they are already winning against Intel.
Nvidia will be the 2nd. AMD is coming after Nvidia next.
Let's take this as a funny pamphlet. :laughing:
Or a prophetic one? :laughing:
No, he's agreeing with me that inflation isn't the reason that the prices are so high. He's with us. ;)
 
Well, this is interesting. Right now you can get a 6950 XT for less than $700 and as low as $610 on Newegg. This GPU is still significantly faster than the 4070 and has more VRAM. Also, there are still 4070s available on Newegg, they did not immediately sell out. The founders edition 4070 is still in stock on Best Buy website. Obviously, this launch is not exciting people quite as much as Nvidia would have liked I think.
 
My local Micro Center has been open for just over an hour now and they still show availability for all 14 models of the RTX 4070 they brought in for sale as being available for in store only.

I don't see these cards flying off the shelves. I'd venture to guess they'll be like their bigger brother, 4070Ti, and mostly sit on the shelves. I don't think anyone will have any troubles getting their hands on the 4070 should they want one.

The 4090s were all sold out within the first hour and stayed that way until about 4-5 months after they released, hard to get. Now they sit on the shelves and you can walk in to buy them.

The 4080s took about 3 weeks before my local Micro Center sold them all off and started getting more in, they've been sitting on the shelves since. Easy to get whenever you need one.

4070Ti - they never sold out, not once. They've always been available since they came out.
 
You guys are funny... it is a 3080 with 12GB of VRAM, 2 years later, at 600$ MSRP...

This is not a 90/100 GPU, it is a joke. So much for saying that less than 16GB of VRAM is now an issue, just to give this card 90/100.

The fact that you can buy a 6950XT for about the same price, is making this GPU DOA.

Yeah except there's ppl who own GSYNC monitors, like yours truly, so they won't be buying an AMD GPU anytime soon b/c, obv, that would make their investment into GSYNC technology pointless.

Just sayin', man. You think you have got all your bases covered but you just don't.
 
You, I and a couple of others are smart buyers and perhaps willing to go the extra mile to do "the right thing" but look at nvidia market share, why do you think is that high?
Remember my greatest quote:
"Never underestimate the stupidity of the average human!"
- Me, 2002
;)
Because lots of people dont know better and look up to people like Tim Jensen, Steven Jensen, Linus Jensen and Jay Super-Jensen for advice and guidance and what do those "reviewers" say?

They say "Buy Nvidia Yo!"
I agree. I would even add to that by saying the whole reason that they just take their word is that they're incapable of translating the data shown for themselves. All they can do is base their choice on someone's opinion, an opinion that may be honest, but it's an opinion that is only really applicable to thre reviewer giving it. That's problematic because reviewers have become 100% out-of-touch when it comes to taking prices into account since they get everything for free. With them, suddenly little frills like RT and DLSS become important because, hey, if it's free, why not? What they fail to take into account is whether or not these frills are worth paying extra for. What they also fail to take into account is just how vital the amount of VRAM is. They get free samples of cards EVERY GENERATION so they don't give a damn about longevity.

Over the years, they've forgotten what it's like to actually have to BUY their own parts. That's why I still like Daniel Owen. He gets a few samples but for the most part, he buys everything that he reviews and it shows. You can sometimes see the pain in his face when he says how much he paid for something. It's also why Radeon cards are (from what I can remember) completely undefeated in comparisons vs. GeForce cards in his videos.

It all started with him wanting an RTX 3080 but being unable to get one so he got an RX 6800 XT instead and posting a review of that.
And that places people like you and I at their mercy because one day, AMD might say "To hell with this" and drop out of the GPU market, since its clear that no matter what, they cant win.
The day that happens is the day I switch to consoles. I agree though, the consumerist noobs will one day cause the collapse of the market at this rate. Radeon won't cease to exist, but it will only exist in the data centre space where the purchasers aren't such brand-wh0res. A good case-in-point is the fact that the most powerful supercomputer in the world (over 200% faster than 2nd-place) uses Radeon Instinct GPUs.

As for PC gamers, you're right, we'll be totally screwed. At least when it happens, we'll both know that we weren't a part of the problem. :laughing:
 
My local Micro Center has been open for just over an hour now and they still show availability for all 14 models of the RTX 4070 they brought in for sale as being available for in store only.

So what you're saying is loads of cards actually being available and on shelves at launch is.. somehow bad?

While at the same time, people can't stop bringing up that AMD cards are now regularly available below MSRP. Because heavy discounts are a sign of.. what exactly, of healthy sales?

When your narrative starts to rely on this 1984 level of newspeak, perhaps it is time to reevaluate.
 
So what you're saying is loads of cards actually being available and on shelves at launch is.. somehow bad?

While at the same time, people can't stop bringing up that AMD cards are now regularly available below MSRP. Because heavy discounts are a sign of.. what exactly, of healthy sales?

When your narrative starts to rely on this 1984 level of newspeak, perhaps it is time to reevaluate.
Someone sounds cranky. Quick! Someone get this guy a hug!

It's okay if you can't understand my post either, it's not about how there are a lot of cards. It's about there are a lot of cards on the shelves that aren't selling. People aren't flocking to get them like some have predicted.

The pricing structure is bad for the performance gains they offer. Nvidia put too much faith in the fact that DLSS 3 on their Ada cards would help push sales for the mediocre performance gains they have with the high prices.
 
It is less powerful than a 3080 10G, so I guess I'll stick to my Asus ROG Strix 3080 OC and wait for at least when the 4080 hits the second hand market, something I tend to do for all my gear nowadays! And this is by choice, not by lack of money. I simply refuse to be gouged by manufacturers. I'm never on the bleeding edge of tech, but I'm no beta tester either this way! 😁
 
600 msrp lol good luck. the dollar is toilet paper. who knew printing trillions of magic invisi space bucks would have an impact??? yay politicians, screwing everything up for short term gain ftw

at least it has 12gb ram, I thought it was slated for 8
 
Why pay more than a console for performance (quality, resolution, and FPS) that is less?

Also, perhaps a group of the latest and most cutting-edge games should have their scores tabulated to give an estimated 'future' performance comparison? A comparison across dozens of current and 5+ year old titles is good for gaming performance NOW, but just picking the cutting-edge titles would indicate the kind of comparable ratings in the future.
 
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